Value of: Ivan Provorov

[MSSLYNX]

A deal around Provorov for Girard would be really interesting for me as an Avs fan. Basically similar calibre defensemen, but one with higher defensive acumen and the other more offensively talented. I could actually see Girard's production increasing significantly as the go to offensive guy, and the Avs wouldn't need Provorov to produce offensively.

I doubt a 1 for 1 trade would please Philly since they are about to lose 3-4 guys to Free agency. Might be time for a quality for quantity type of deal.

 

[habsfan44]

A deal around Provorov for Girard would be really interesting for me as an Avs fan. Basically similar calibre defensemen, but one with higher defensive acumen and the other more offensively talented. I could actually see Girard's production increasing significantly as the go to offensive guy, and the Avs wouldn't need Provorov to produce offensively.

I don't see any reason why the Flyers would find it as interesting as you do though . Unless there's a major add or two coming from Colorado , there are about 30 teams in the league who would top that offer very easily .

 

[SnS]

A deal around Provorov for Girard would be really interesting for me as an Avs fan. Basically similar calibre defensemen, but one with higher defensive acumen and the other more offensively talented. I could actually see Girard's production increasing significantly as the go to offensive guy, and the Avs wouldn't need Provorov to produce offensively.

He wouldn’t be the go to guy offensively when we have KEITH YANDLEEEEEEE!!!!!

But I don’t actually think Ivan / Sam 1 for 1 is anything close to what Chuck would want.

 

[GKJ]

Girard is useless to the Flyers. They’ll convince themselves he’s worthless since he is small and not good enough defensively. I have nothing against him but I can easily see them thinking that he’s one of the most overrated players in the league.

 

[bsu]

This king fan offer jad kurpari and your choice of strand walker orMOrerare

You are so generous..... on the real yikes.

 

[Avsavsavsavsavs]

I'm sugegsting thet before they settle for a dman that's been underperforming in playoff because of his size, they'll want to check the medicla file of Byram FOR SURE, we've seen what GMs can do to save $$ on the cap (see Kucherov)

Newhook + Byram (if healthy) or Newjook + Girard + pick yeah

This is an incredibly laughable ask, just say you don't pay attention to Avs hockey and we can fill in the gaps for you.

 

[elitepete]

Would love him on the Canucks even though he's an LD. I'm sure one of Hughes, Provorov, OEL would be able to play the right side.

 

[captainpaxil]

This is an incredibly laughable ask, just say you don't pay attention to Avs hockey and we can fill in the gaps for you.

Not really. The flyers just did a similar deal in Patrick and Myers for Ellis so newhook and Byram is right in the neighborhood of a provorov price. This is a young top pairing d on a good contract. It's going to hurt.

 

[SnS]

Not really. The flyers just did a similar deal in Patrick and Myers for Ellis so newhook and Byram is right in the neighborhood of a provorov price. This is a young top pairing d on a good contract. It's going to hurt.

Minus the fact that Patrick and Myers are nowhere near Byram and Newhook, sure. You think what you want too.

I do think the price for Ivan would be astronomical if he becomes available. But I don’t think he does.

 

[Rich Nixon]

The Flyers need to trade him while he still has a good reputation. Unfortunately, with all the scouts that have been in the building for their last few games, that window might be closing.

Provorov is a very capable NHL defenseman. He does not play like it, though. Could be a change of scenery thing.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I’m going to try and figure this out, Canucks have had scouts at the last two Philly games and this is kind of out of the ordinary. They are rumoured to be after a “stud Dman” in the mold of a Chychrun type, who they have inquired about. If Provorov is moved I see him going to Vancouver in exchange for their Captain, who is also cousins with Koneckny. I linked the trade obviously because of the connection, also a Giroux replacement as they will need a Center. I imagine you try and get a Dman out of the Giroux trade to replace Provorov. Horvat would make the perfect Flyer in my mind and form a great two way duo with Couturier. Boeser or Garland I can see the other targets going the other way to Philly.

 

[kings11]

For a player like Provorov the RHD that would need to be included would be Faber, Spence, Durzi, Grans - NHL long shots aren't going to get it done (Moverare is also LH but he would be pretty far down on the Flyers list so I don't think it really matters). Kupari is a decent piece but the rest of the players would need to be replaced with higher valued pieces.

JAD, Kupari and Spence

 

[John Mandalorian]

Have to think at least Newhook and Girard would be involve, and they'd prob ask to see Byram's medical file and talk to him

Easy pass.

 

[swflyers93]

He isn't going anywhere

 

[biturbo19]

Like other Canucks fans, i'd be all over this. If it's scoring wingers Philly want, Brock Boeser would absolutely be on the table for that.

It kind of sounds like Horvat is also not off limits for trade with this regime as well...even though personally, i feel like that would create too big a hole that they'd then have to find a way to fill instead. I just don't think the Canucks are solid enough down the middle to move their most consistent Center.

But if Boeser gets things started for Provorov...there absolutely could be something there that makes both teams very happy.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

A few honest questions for Flyers fans ~ what's the deal with Provorov? A few years ago, he was all the rage, seemingly a 1D or at least trending that way. Did he stagnate or regress? Was he overhyped at the time?

And realistically, what is he? I have him pegged as a top pairing guy, perbaps a low end (but not truly elite) #1 on his best days. Can skate, move the puck some, score a good amount of goals. Eats tons of minutes (perhaps too many!) and extremely durable. A valuable piece to be sure but perhaps something of a disappointment relative to what fans had hoped he could be. Am I close at all with that assessment, or am I complete loon?

 

[JustAHabFan]

Watching the Flyers vs Wild game last night and Provorov didn't look good.

 

[MSSLYNX]

A few honest questions for Flyers fans ~ what's the deal with Provorov? A few years ago, he was all the rage, seemingly a 1D or at least trending that way. Did he stagnate or regress? Was he overhyped at the time?

And realistically, what is he? I have him pegged as a top pairing guy, perbaps a low end (but not truly elite) #1 on his best days. Can skate, move the puck some, score a good amount of goals. Eats tons of minutes (perhaps too many!) and extremely durable. A valuable piece to be sure but perhaps something of a disappointment relative to what fans had hoped he could be. Am I close at all with that assessment, or am I complete loon?

Right on. First pair of Provorov-Ellis big part why club started 2-0-1 only 3 games Ellis played (before trying to play 1 game 2 weeks later). Both played 28+ min 1st game. IP +4 those 3 games. Ellis +3, 4 pts.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

A few honest questions for Flyers fans ~ what's the deal with Provorov? A few years ago, he was all the rage, seemingly a 1D or at least trending that way. Did he stagnate or regress? Was he overhyped at the time?

And realistically, what is he? I have him pegged as a top pairing guy, perbaps a low end (but not truly elite) #1 on his best days. Can skate, move the puck some, score a good amount of goals. Eats tons of minutes (perhaps too many!) and extremely durable. A valuable piece to be sure but perhaps something of a disappointment relative to what fans had hoped he could be. Am I close at all with that assessment, or am I complete loon?

I think you're close. He's not a #1 in that he can't carry a pairing, but I wouldn't call him a #2 because he can be the better player of a top pairing that can be capable to play top minutes. His best season was with Ghost on his side before AV neutered him, he and Niskanen was also a great pair. He's not good on the powerplay, but he has led the league in PP goals over a season for a dman before. Weird situation.

I wouldn't judge most of our players too harshly this season or last, the organization is totally inept. Ghost went from waiver wires to a top pairing dman - albeit on a bad team - and top 20 in scoring.

 

[ponder719]

A few honest questions for Flyers fans ~ what's the deal with Provorov? A few years ago, he was all the rage, seemingly a 1D or at least trending that way. Did he stagnate or regress? Was he overhyped at the time?

And realistically, what is he? I have him pegged as a top pairing guy, perbaps a low end (but not truly elite) #1 on his best days. Can skate, move the puck some, score a good amount of goals. Eats tons of minutes (perhaps too many!) and extremely durable. A valuable piece to be sure but perhaps something of a disappointment relative to what fans had hoped he could be. Am I close at all with that assessment, or am I complete loon?

You're not far wrong. Someone else will have actual numbers, but that matches my eye test. Provorov probably can be a #1 on his best days, but the team is treating him like a Weber-Lidstrom level guy and he's simply not. He's playing too many minutes, with a partner who should, by rights, be a #4 at best (70% of the time he's playing with Justin Braun or as the only defenseman, rather than with Ryan Ellis, which was the plan), and he's been miscast as a PP option when he's currently the 3rd best healthy choice, at best, on the roster, and optimally would be 4th or 5th best choice in that role. (Sanheim, Ellis if he was healthy, York if he was up, Ristolainen... I could even see an argument for Yandle, who is an absolute dumpster fire in all zones and at all times). Provy should be the go-to guy on the PK, not PP.

As a result, he seems to be pressing, trying to do everything by himself with no help, and he looks worn down to the point where he's no longer processing the game correctly.

 

[Accelleratii]

I think it's a dumb idea to move on from Provy at this point.

Not tearing it completely down is also a dumb idea and why the Flyers have been the poster boy for mediocrity the last decade. Never good enough to truly contend and never bad enough to get those high picks. And when they hired Fletcher I threw my hands up and yelled "oh what the f*ck" and then when Yeo took the reigns I said "yeah let's see bad get worse!"

Flyers are a complete joke and they're using injuries and covid as an excuse to coverup the pervasive ineptitude of this sad franchise.

 

[Accelleratii]

A few honest questions for Flyers fans ~ what's the deal with Provorov? A few years ago, he was all the rage, seemingly a 1D or at least trending that way. Did he stagnate or regress? Was he overhyped at the time?

And realistically, what is he? I have him pegged as a top pairing guy, perbaps a low end (but not truly elite) #1 on his best days. Can skate, move the puck some, score a good amount of goals. Eats tons of minutes (perhaps too many!) and extremely durable. A valuable piece to be sure but perhaps something of a disappointment relative to what fans had hoped he could be. Am I close at all with that assessment, or am I complete loon?

Flyers drafted a solid #2 dman and tried to make him #1. Don't let people tell you he's a #1, he isn't. Pair him with a true #1 and watch him flourish. Make him your teams #1 and watch him flounder.

 

[1865]

Not tearing it completely down is also a dumb idea and why the Flyers have been the poster boy for mediocrity the last decade. Never good enough to truly contend and never bad enough to get those high picks. And when they hired Fletcher I threw my hands up and yelled "oh what the f*ck" and then when Yeo took the reigns I said "yeah let's see bad get worse!"

Flyers are a complete joke and they're using injuries and covid as an excuse to coverup the pervasive ineptitude of this sad franchise.

I don't think any team has ever traded every single player, there's always going to be mainstays and it'd cost us more to replace Provorov than we'd get for him realistically.

There's not many players left i'd build around, but at least Hart, Sanheim, Farabee and maybe Provorov. The rest can go for the right price.

 

[TheTechNoir]

Right on. First pair of Provorov-Ellis big part why club started 2-0-1 only 3 games Ellis played (before trying to play 1 game 2 weeks later). Both played 28+ min 1st game. IP +4 those 3 games. Ellis +3, 4 pts.

If Provorov needs a partner to carry him or to compliment him to be good enough, I don't think Jack Johnson is the guy for that, lol. That leaves a swap for Girard + off the table, I think. And they aren't splitting up Toews-Makar for Provy's sake. Both are superior to Provorov with or without a good partner, and they play perfectly together. After Girard, with Byram out, anyway, you fall off a cliff.

 

[Accelleratii]

I don't think any team has ever traded every single player, there's always going to be mainstays and it'd cost us more to replace Provorov than we'd get for him realistically.

There's not many players left i'd build around, but at least Hart, Sanheim, Farabee and maybe Provorov. The rest can go for the right price.

I would keep Hart but be open to trade just about anyone else. The Flyers overvalue their players and if the price is right for a guy like Provorov, you do it.