CanadienShark
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Which one of Kucherov, Shesterkin, or Vasilevsky is not? Buchnevich is borderline too.Only two of these players are stars
Which one of Kucherov, Shesterkin, or Vasilevsky is not? Buchnevich is borderline too.Only two of these players are stars
Didn’t notice Vasy, 3 of them are thenWhich one of Kucherov, Shesterkin, or Vasilevsky is not? Buchnevich is borderline too.
Yap. Random poster said that MHL is worser than USHL and on the level/lower than some B\C level junior canadien league. You live in the world of random posters.Well that settles the debate, this random poster on HF said Demidov is better so must be 100% true.
1, That random poster is RussianWell that settles the debate, this random poster on HF said Demidov is better so must be 100% true.
Draft position doesn't always mean better player. So we will see down the line who the better player is. As far as the MHL being a better league to draft out of directly in comparison to the USHL, here's a list of players drafted directly from the MHL since its creation that have made impact at the NHL level:
Nikita Kucherov
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Pavel Buchnevich
Igor Shesterkin
Ilya Samsonov
Alexander Romanov
Kirill Marchenko
Yegor Chinakhov
Now compare that to the players drafted straight out of the USHL from the same year the MHL started:
Jack Hughes
Adam Fox
J.T. Miller
Johnny Gaudreau
Dylan Larkin
Kyle Connor
Clayton Keller
Jeremy Swayman
Brock Boeser
Jacob Trouba
Jaccob Slavin
Brandon Montour
Nick Schmaltz
Alex Tuch
Jaden Schwartz
Justin Faulk
Jason Zucker
Cole Caufield
Matthew Boldy
Bryan Rust
John Gibson
Jake Sanderson
Mike Matheson
Jake Guentzel
JT Compher
Troy Terry
Casey Mittelstadt
Josh Norris
Joel Farabee
K'Andre Miller
Trevor Zegras
Matias Maccelli
Cam York
Brock Faber
Luke Hughes
Logan Cooley
This is not even all of them, I actually left out the depth players that are also playing in the NHL today, and there's plenty of them. Anyhow, it's not rocket science, you take a look at the two lists and it's obvious that players from the USHL are much more likely to pan out, which makes it a better league to draft from.
1, That random poster is Russian
2. He rates both Lindstrom and Demidov highly. I've read it
3. He watches a lot of video on draftee's
I trust his word on prospects 99% more then any other poster.
First a few minor points.
Chinakhov was undrafted in his last MHL season, and was drafted after his D+1 / KHL rookie year. Same with Gavrikov (drafted in his D+2?), who somehow made it to the 6th round despite being WJC D MVP.
Panarin played both MHL and KHL and went undrafted.
Kuzmenko and Mikheyev also were MHLers and didn't get drafted. The same for Artem Zub.
Kuznetsov played both MHL and KHL in his draft year.
For the league as a whole, there's going to be more players coming out of the USHL. But the Russians are often underdrafted, or at least there's more volatility between player value and draft position. So which is the better league to draft from? It depends not just on the number of players but whether those players are getting underrated / overrated by other clubs.
As far as league quality questions - the worst MHL clubs are really bad, maybe worse than Maritime Division bad. But you also have top clubs that look amazing. Like there were times Loko was rolling out Surin, But, and Simashev. Their roster as a whole played as deep and solid as the London Knights. SKA was loaded. Torpedo was loaded for the playoffs and sent Silayev back down. Those games are as high a level as the Memorial Cup, it's a very good measuring stick for Demidov.
Lemme guess. You also think the USHL>VHL because USHL produces more NHLers? Yet VHL teams would thoroughly annihilate USHL clubs. Men vs boys.
But what if Demidov dominated men in the VHL? Would you still say he's a risky pick considering few NHLers are drafted out of the VHL?
Don't conflate # of drafted players with quality of competition......or even quality of development. Doing so shows a very rudimentary ability to grasp the nuances and intricacies of the situation. You're literally painting a picture using the broadest strokes possible.
I would prefer that the prospect is already playing at the highest level. That's not to say that Demidov is not talented. I'm just stating that based on this thread, Lindstrom seems like a safer pick and I completely see reason in taking him over Demidov.
I'm not painting anything, the data speaks for itself. The truth of the matter is, Russian talent in general is actually lacking, and the last high end Russian player to be drafted to make star contribution at the NHL level was taken back in 2015 from the KHL (Kirill Kaprizov). Since then no Russian star has been drafted regardless of league.
On the flipside, how many stars came out from the USHL since 2015? This also includes players that were drafted out of the NCAA who took the USHL route. I'm sure they're too many to count, so I'm not gonna bother.