1. he played too much last season
2. he's too old
3. Calgary missed the playoffs
4. didn't even surpass 30 wins
Celebrini should win it. Followed by Hutson 2nd, Michkov 3rd, and Will Smith 4th.
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1. he played too much last season
2. he's too old
3. Calgary missed the playoffs
4. didn't even surpass 30 wins
Celebrini should win it. Followed by Hutson 2nd, Michkov 3rd, and Will Smith 4th.
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1. No he didn't he's clearly eligible. He played in 17 games and the cutoff is 25
2. Too old? Kaprizov won the Calder at the same age, Panarin won it at age 24. The Sharks own goalie Nabokov won it at age 25.
3. Calgary is not eliminated from the playoffs as of right now
4. He's at 28 wins, is starting tonight, and will start vs LA if they win tonight. He could absolutely get to 30 wins still
Should and will are not the same thing. Hutson will win Wolf will likely finish 2nd, Celebrini 3rd, Michkov 4th, and Stankoven will finish above Will Smith too. Hutson is a major reason his team is probably making the playoffs this year, that's why he will win. Wolf is the entire reason Calgary isn't a bottom 5 team in the league, he's literally been a top 5 goalie in the league this year, that's why he will come 2nd. Celebrini's been a fantastic player but his team is still finishing dead last. Keep crying about it but that won't change the votes
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1. that will work against his favor when it comes to Calder votes.
2. an older candidate is less likely to win over a younger player. which is also why Celebrini will win over Huston.
3. they don't control their own destiny so they pretty much are.
4. he's not going to start both of those games.
No, there are 0. A pet peeve of mine about how generational gets tossed around so easily. I've written about it in what seems like 100 other threads, so I'm not going to repeat myself. Long and short of it:
generation = 20-25 years.
they're not the 3 best players in the last 60-75 years
young people haven't seen Orr or Gretzky or Lemieux play in real time to appreciate what it truly means to be so far ahead of your peers that you are truly generational.
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Price, generational?
And Jagr picked his destination.
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0% chance Celebrini wins and rightfully so. Hutson is a lock. He is having a historic season. Not just a good season for a rookie I mean a monster season for any dman. He is 7th in scoring for dmen and leads all rookies in points.
Wolf would be close if The Flames make it in but I still think Hutson will win over him.
As for Celebrini and Michkov, its a toss up for 3rd place.
You have no clue what you're talking about. There's a good reason why Demidov was seen as the best prospect not in the NHL by nearly all hockey scouts in the world. What we've seen of this kid is not just a fluke of "one game" but a representation of his whole hockey career playing against men 7 to 8 years older than him. Sure he made a backchecking mistake for Chicago's 3rd goal but to say he cost the Habs the game would be an asinine take only an ignorant troll could make. The game wouldn't be going to overtime if it wasn't for him getting 2 points and offensively creating chances after chances for his teammates.FFS
It's one game against the 2nd worst team in the league and he basically cost the Habs the game as well.
Give the kid a full season and see where it goes from there but ease up on your expectations.
You are right, franchise d men are extremely rare to find I love Schaefer, he will be the top D guy for whichever team selects him at #1. What I don't agree with is how much people tend to overrate the amount of REAL offensive superstars. IMO they are rare to find than all-around number #1 defenseman. There are very few special players in this world who can change the course of games, carry teams on their backs, be dynamic nights and nights out, and reach 90 to 100 points a year in their prime. We can look at the 15 last drafts since 2010
2010 draft: No one
2011 draft: Kucherov
2012 draft: No one
2013 draft: Mackinnon
2014 draft: Draisaitl & Pastrnak
2015 draft: McDavid & Kaprizov
2016 draft: Matthews
2017 draft: Makar
2018 draft: Q. Hughes
2019 draft: J. Hughes
2020 draft: No one
2021 draft: No one
2022 draft: Maybe Hutson
2023 draft: No one so far
2024 draft: Celebrini & Demidov
2025 draft: Don't see anyone potentially reaching that level
2026 draft: Very likely McKenna
That's about 13 to 14 guys out of 3600 draftees. It illustrates how rare they are to find and if you're lucky like 2014 and 2015, you can find 2 at maximum
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Demidov has played 1 game ...lets see him next year at this time before he gets a superstar label.
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Montreal didn't draft Demidov with the intent of moving him for a draft pick of any kind a year later. Also, whichever team wins #1 is going to want to choose their own guy over trading for Demidov.
Neither team is interested in this move.
Neither team is interested in this move.
Stewie Griffin
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So Bedard is not there "so far" but Demidov is? And McKenna is very likely?
Lmao wtf are you basing this off of?
I'm basing my projection on what I've seen from them.
Bedard will be an elite offensive player to a borderline superstar like Patrick Kane, a guy who can reach 80 to 90 points here and there but not an offensive superstar who can carry his team on his back because they need another offensive player at an equal to a higher level than them to win. Compare the rookie season of Crosby to Bedard and it's night and day between both players.
Demidov, there's always a level of elite offensive dynamism that I don't see from Bedard and Michkov. Even when he was playing 6 to 7 minutes in the KHL, he never went through stretches where he was invisible on the ice. He was the best player at SKA despite starting as a 13th forward and he proved it in the Gagarin Cup.
As for McKenna, he's the real generational player since McDavid. His skill set blows Bedard out of the water by far and it's not even close.
It took Ovechkin and Malkin 1 game to see they are the real deal. I'm not saying Demidov will score 900 goals in the NHL but the Habs is a different franchise with him
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You left out Gaudreau in 2011 (RIP). Barkov in 2013 when he's healthy. Definitely an argument for Marner, Rantanen, and Eichel in 2015. Tkachuk in 2016. Robertson in 2017. Bedard for sure in 2023.
Demidov has played 2 game, he shouldn't be here yet lol
Gaudreau, Robertson and Eichel are elite offensive players. Rantanen is one of the best complementary players in the league but he's not a play driver who makes other players better like Kucherov, McDavid, Drasaitl, and Mackinnon. You could make a case for Marner, Barkov, and Tkachuk being offensive superstars(look at Gaudreau and Huberdeau's stats without Tkachuk and Barkov). Bedard although very talented, I have difficulties seeing him reaching this point
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Bedard's only played 2 seasons. Both for the most part all by himself offensively. Look at Jack Hughes' first could years, or MacKinnon. Writing him off at this stage is insane. He will probably score 100 at some point one he has teammates
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Lol it's just some homer. Bedard might be an 80-90 point guy but Demidov's first career game makes him like Malkin or Ovi
Jack Hughes was a kid playing against men during his rookie season but all his offensive skillsets were still very elite with his combination of speed, hockey IQ, vision and hands being off the charts. He pretty much only needed to gain more muscle mass and strength
Bedard faces some challenges to become a true offensive superstar in the league. At 5'9" with average speed, he struggles to create separation, making it easier for defenders to close the gap on him. His stickhandling is well above average, but not quite at the level of players like Demidov, Marner, Kane, or McDavid. There are also stretches where he becomes invisible and doesn't generate much offense for himself or his teammates. Take Celebrini, he consistently creates chances and is a threat every night. That's why I currently hold him in higher regard than Bedard. If he proves me wrong and becomes a consistent 100 point player and the best on the Blackhawks, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. I hope he does because the league is much better when young stars are thriving.
I guess I'm a homer if I don't see Bedard as that generational talent comparable to McDavid or the future face of the league like the canadian media portrayed him to be.
Stewie Griffin
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No you're homer for saying Demidov already is at that level after one game while Bedard, as one example isn't "so far"
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I had the Flams as a bottom 5 team going into this season. the Fact that Wolf may take the Flames into the playoffs is HUGE.
that said, Celebrini is the best rookie and it should be a walk in the park, with.
I suggest you rewatch the Hawks vs Habs game because the impact of both players on their teams is night and day. Bedard outside of his nice PP assist to Bertuzzi was invisible the whole game and the Hawks had to be carried by players like Nazar and Foligno. It's the complete opposite for Demidov. He was the play driver carrying the Habs's offense, nearly gave Newhook a hat trick, and was by far the team's best player by being constantly dangerous and dynamic. He did all that in his first NHL game while shouldering an immense amount of pressure in a market like Montreal, playing through limited minutes and being jet-lagged
