Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[WeThreeKings]

You missed the point! And I didn’t say Ovi was or wasn’t generational?

You inferred he wasn't because of the GP. But era adjustment shows that if Ovechkin played in Gretzky's era, he would have blown out Gretzky's goal totals a long time ago.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

You inferred he wasn't because of the GP. But era adjustment shows that if Ovechkin played in Gretzky's era, he would have blown out Gretzky's goal totals a long time ago.

I inferred nothing. I stated Gretz, Mario & Orr’s numbers would be untouchable if they played 1700+ gms like players are doing now.

You don’t understand that?

Gordie Howe was the greatest of the 40+ players….todays game would be a dance for some of the legends.

 

[1909]

I think Bedard would had loved if Hawks would had taken Demidov at #2 last draft. Not only Habs make errors at the draft table.

 

[Kennerback]

To that i will answer, look at Crosby

Has he ever produced more than 120 pts in his career? And he had a stacked team, playing with Malkin and was more powerful and overall a better player than Bedard is or will ever be.

Crosby went through concussions. 100%, Bedard imo is more prone into getting seriously injured and its also something im taking into the equation.

The guys who are producing 100 pts+ are playing a different game, they're so much stronger, quicker, faster, efficient. I dont think one bit he'll ever reach that level of hockey. Regardless of possible future injuries, he's not that type of player and he'll never be... i mean he's slow, if only he had speed in his game i would say maybe.

I think there’s some adjustments going on where Bedard can and can’t take his shot from in the NHL. He should become more and more dangerous… Maybe because Celebrini played in College instead of Juniors he had a head up in the pro transition over Bedard. To me, Bedard’s speed is more than enough and just as good as Celebrini’s and there’s nothing that indicates he’ll stop progressing. But who knows?

 

[LaP]

A lot people these days are influenced by the #’s players are putting up not recognizing the # of games played. Very few of the top twenty five pts leaders can compare to Mario or Bobby and they’ve played 800 more gms. Orr, Mario & Gretz didn’t play 1700+ gms but if they had their all time goal record would not be close to anything Ovi is doing. I like Ovi but we have to reasonable. Generational talent, IMHO, is a shorter list than most.

Still there should be at least one generational player by generation minimum. That's the definition of the word. If not then we should use another word to describe the concept.

 

[Colezuki]

Top line winger, generational or whatever argument is going on in here isn't relevant, have a kaprizov like impact on the team and we're rolling. that's what im hoping for

 

[ahmedou]

Hi HFHabs family,

Is there HFHabs member living in Russia (Saint Petersburg, etc). If yes let me know please.

I'd like to order Demidov's jersey from SKA Store.

Cheers,



Ahmedou

 

[Kennerback]

Top line winger, generational or whatever argument is going on in here isn't relevant, have a kaprizov like impact on the team and we're rolling. that's what im hoping for

The only player that’s really been called generational outside of fans of the player’s NHL team was Bedard. Not Celebrini. Not Demidov or others.

But unlike the other generational players like Crosby or McDavid who were also anointed pre-draft with the moniker, Bedard’s stumbled a bit. That’s despite being the top scorer on his team and being not far off PPG. But it might just be a blip in the big picture.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I inferred nothing. I stated Gretz, Mario & Orr’s numbers would be untouchable if they played 1700+ gms like players are doing now.
ays game
You don’t understand that?

Gordie Howe was the greatest of the 40+ players….todays game would be a dance for some of the legends.

That just is not true. Gordie's generation featured NHLers who would struggle to be AHLers in today's game. This is why, to a man they all say that today's players are much better than their generation.....just watch the video lol. Players who were atrocious skaters and handled the puck like a grenade made up the majority of the league. Goalies were all terrible as the trade had yet to escape from the prison of idiot coaches who dictated like most dinosaurs do the way in which to play despite not having the knowledge to support their dumb truisms.

McDavid hits 200 points if he played when Mario and Wayne were playing.

I am old enough to have watched Wayne and Mario's entire career and I have love for that generation as that is where my fondest hockey memories lie, but......if we are being honest, there were 50 goal scorers who would be lucky to hit 30 goals nowadays and some like Maruk might not even be NHLers in today's game.

Hockey has a much larger pool to draw from today, as in multiple orders of magnitude as well as infinitely better developmental systems, training and nutrition. There is a solid argument to be made that players from these generations would be even better but the problem is that the kids with the most ability may never have played hockey back then. In Howe's generation there were far more families who relied on their kids to carry on the family business, especially farming and were never encouraged to try and play pro as well as the one's who did play and were never discovered.

 

[Frankenheimer]

You inferred he wasn't because of the GP. But era adjustment shows that if Ovechkin played in Gretzky's era, he would have blown out Gretzky's goal totals a long time ago.

Yes but if goalies and defensemen from Gretzky's era trained in our era, and then returned back to their era to face a future Ovi who travelled too far into the past and had to eat borscht everyday and stand in line in below 30 temperature for toilet paper, then I think Gretzky would have emerged victorious as that Ovi would only have been 165lbs.