Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[Erika]

This is not even worth my time as it is below me....but I love how you downplay stats then immediately rule Bedard out as generational by solely referencing........ stats lol

The generational conversation is for the layman, Bedard will be an elite NHLer and your prognosis of him being a 70 - 90 player at best will be made as foolish as nonsensical as the generational talent conversation.

Have a wonderful HF experience, I will not partake in it though.

See you in 3 years then, it's my take vs your take, if you can't debate normally then there's nothing else to add sir.

 

[Canadienna]

Vibes

 

[Kshahdoo]

Rookie of the Week for the 6th time, ties Tolvanen's record now. Next RotW will be his another KHL record.

 

[Skip Bayless]

None of you people know what generational means.

Y'all sound like old people parroting new trendy words they just heard on Jimmy Kimmel to younger people.

It's hilarious to see y'all get condescending at eachother.

 

[DAChampion]

None of you people know what generational means.

The term "generational" does get used to oblivion on HFB.

In recent memory I think the following players qualify: Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, arguably Lidstrom, Jagr, Roy, Hasek.

Eric Lindros would have qualified with better health.

Brett Hull, Zdeno Chara, Getzlaf, Erik Karlsson, Patrick Kane, Chris Pronger, Carey Price, Nikita Kucherov, and Nathan McKinnon are the next level down.

I assume without proof that Bedard, Celebrini, and Demidov will belong in the second group if nearly everything goes right for them.

 

[CHwest]

The term "generational" does get used to oblivion on HFB.

In recent memory I think the following players qualify: Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, arguably Lidstrom, Jagr, Roy, Hasek.

Eric Lindros would have qualified with better health.

Brett Hull, Zdeno Chara, Getzlaf, Erik Karlsson, Patrick Kane, Chris Pronger, Carey Price, Nikita Kucherov, and Nathan McKinnon are the next level down.

I assume without proof that Bedard, Celebrini, and Demidov will belong in the second group if everything goes right for them.

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, McD. That's it in my 65 yrs anyway.

 

[417]

None of you people know what generational means.

Y'all sound like old people parroting new trendy words they just heard on Jimmy Kimmel to younger people.

It's hilarious to see y'all get condescending at eachother.

Well it's a pretty subjective term, it can mean different things to different people.

It's not like there's a commonly accepted criteria for who is generational or not.

 

[ahmedou]

Rookie of the Week for the 6th time, ties Tolvanen's record now. Next RotW will be his another KHL record.

Rookie of the week

*Demidov of the Week*

 

[Bombshell11]

None of you people know what generational means.

Y'all sound like old people parroting new trendy words they just heard on Jimmy Kimmel to younger people.

It's hilarious to see y'all get condescending at eachother.

The Rocket is the definition of Generational but then again, articles from the past claim that he was only good because alot of the guys before him went to war and never came back.

Gretz had generational numbers but he also played at a time where scoring lots of pts was normal.

Bedard had generational press coverage

Demidov has generational skills and is producing at a generational pace per 60 minutes in Russia. Like Ovy is the only generational talent russia ever produced in history? non sense.

No one knows how Demidov's game will translate in the NHL but his style seems alot more translatable than Michkov's. I wont be surprised if he scores 100 pts playing with Suzuki and Laine next year.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Rookie of the week

*Demidov of the Week*

*Demidou

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, McD. That's it in my 65 yrs anyway.

I was fortunate enough to watch Orr. Best player of my lifetime & it’s not even close. With today’s rules, ease of play, no redline,LOL, he’d have 50 goals regularly & 150+ pts. It’s Crazy that people don’t know this.

Plus 150 pims, lol.

Love the reports from Russia, Demidov will be fun, he’s Hutson squared.
Cheers

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Deebs]

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Radulov is still playing hockey....huh

 

[LaP]

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, McD. That's it in my 65 yrs anyway.

So that's not generational then. You're not using the right term. The NHL has seen 8 generations so far so if you have only 4 generational players you're using the wrong term to define what it is.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Tyson]

I was fortunate enough to watch Orr. Best player of my lifetime & it’s not even close. With today’s rules, ease of play, no redline,LOL, he’d have 50 goals regularly & 150+ pts. It’s Crazy that people don’t know this.

Plus 150 pims, lol.

Love the reports from Russia, Demidov will be fun, he’s Hutson squared.
Cheers

Agreed, Orr was the best player I ever saw.

 

[Scriptor]

The Rocket is the definition of Generational but then again, articles from the past claim that he was only good because alot of the guys before him went to war and never came back.

Gretz had generational numbers but he also played at a time where scoring lots of pts was normal.

Bedard had generational press coverage

Demidov has generational skills and is producing at a generational pace per 60 minutes in Russia. Like Ovy is the only generational talent russia ever produced in history? non sense.

No one knows how Demidov's game will translate in the NHL but his style seems alot more translatable than Michkov's. I wont be surprised if he scores 100 pts playing with Suzuki and Laine next year.

Wow! 100 points for Demidov next year as a rookie? I guess you're earmarking him for the Calder? Hart trophy at the same time when we win our 25th Cup next season?

How many points will Suzuki and Laine get so that Demidov reaches 100 points?

Here come the lines:

Demidov - Suzuki - Laine
Caufield - Dach - Slafkovsky

Newhook - Beck - Heineman
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

 

[BJCOLLINS]

So that's not generational then. You're not using the right term. The NHL has seen 8 generations so far so if you have only 4 generational players you're using the wrong term to define what it is.

A lot people these days are influenced by the #’s players are putting up not recognizing the # of games played. Very few of the top twenty five pts leaders can compare to Mario or Bobby and they’ve played 800 more gms. Orr, Mario & Gretz didn’t play 1700+ gms but if they had their all time goal record would not be close to anything Ovi is doing. I like Ovi but we have to reasonable. Generational talent, IMHO, is a shorter list than most.

 

[windycity]

Ok so if it happens, what then?



I would call Bedard's case, the lockdown case.

In my opinion he'll never be better than what he is right now.

That's quite the hot take on a 19 yr old in his second NHL season who's produced at nearly a point per game pace on a total garbage team. Bedard will improve

 

[Bombshell11]

That's quite the hot take on a 19 yr old in his second NHL season who's produced at nearly a point per game pace on a total garbage team. Bedard will improve

They said the reason why he wasnt doing well in the begining was due to his teammates then they changed the coach and they said ahh see the coach was holding him back.

i dont see him producing more than he is atm unless he gets carried. Where is Chicago going to find a player who can carry Bedard?

 

[Kennerback]

They said the reason why he wasnt doing well in the begining was due to his teammates then they changed the coach and they said ahh see the coach was holding him back.

i dont see him producing more than he is atm unless he gets carried. Where is Chicago going to find a player who can carry Bedard?

Don’t you think, at the very least, Bedard will become stronger and faster. People produce more until they get to 23, 24…

 

[WeThreeKings]

A lot people these days are influenced by the #’s players are putting up not recognizing the # of games played. Very few of the top twenty five pts leaders can compare to Mario or Bobby and they’ve played 800 more gms. Orr, Mario & Gretz didn’t play 1700+ gms but if they had their all time goal record would not be close to anything Ovi is doing. I like Ovi but we have to reasonable. Generational talent, IMHO, is a shorter list than most.

Ovechkin will finish with the most goals in NHL history. All this with multiple lock outs. He's absolutely generational. You don't break a record from Gretzky from a career total perspective without being a generational talent.

 

[Bombshell11]

Don’t you think, at the very least, Bedard will become stronger and faster. People produce more until they get to 23, 24…

To that i will answer, look at Crosby

Has he ever produced more than 120 pts in his career? And he had a stacked team, playing with Malkin and was more powerful and overall a better player than Bedard is or will ever be.

Crosby went through concussions. 100%, Bedard imo is more prone into getting seriously injured and its also something im taking into the equation.

The guys who are producing 100 pts+ are playing a different game, they're so much stronger, quicker, faster, efficient. I dont think one bit he'll ever reach that level of hockey. Regardless of possible future injuries, he's not that type of player and he'll never be... i mean he's slow, if only he had speed in his game i would say maybe.

 

[Bombshell11]

Ovechkin will finish with the most goals in NHL history. All this with multiple lock outs. He's absolutely generational. You don't break a record from Gretzky from a career total perspective without being a generational talent.

The goals Ovy has scored in his career are some of the craziest ones we've seen.

No question he's generational

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Ovechkin will finish with the most goals in NHL history. All this with multiple lock outs. He's absolutely generational. You don't break a record from Gretzky from a career total perspective without being a generational talent.

You missed the point! And I didn’t say Ovi was or wasn’t generational?