Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part II

[KevSkillz4]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

Seriously, No. Demidov is bigger, better motor, it's like Kaprizov and maybe even more potential than Kaprizov lol!

Demidov have better points /60 minutes than Michkov, Kaprizov in same age, that's insane.

This guy will be very very special.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

Honestly, at this point I’m going to say no. People outside of Montreal will say it’s a crazy take, but Bedard’s NHL career thus far has been disappointing given the hype. That’s not to say he can’t turn on the jets next year or down the road and be a 100+ pt player, but I’ll take my chances with Demidov.

 

[malcb33]

Honestly, at this point I’m going to say no. People outside of Montreal will say it’s a crazy take, but Bedard’s NHL career thus far has been disappointing given the hype. That’s not to say he can’t turn on the jets next year or down the road and be a 100+ pt player, but I’ll take my chances with Demidov.

It's hard to say where Bedard would be if he weren't in Chicago; they are terrible, and he has no one to play with. If Bedard were on the Habs, I would be confident that his results would be much better.

Hypothetically, the biggest issue for me would be Bedard's contract status. He's almost 2 years through his entry-level deal and, I suspect, will want to be paid like a star when it's up. Demidov still has the full 3-years which is very nice when you are looking to turn the corner as a franchise.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

No
Bedard has been a massive dissapointment relative to expectations.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Demidov has a better d+2 than Bedard is having.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

Absolutely not

 

[Scriptor]

Honestly, at this point I’m going to say no. People outside of Montreal will say it’s a crazy take, but Bedard’s NHL career thus far has been disappointing given the hype. That’s not to say he can’t turn on the jets next year or down the road and be a 100+ pt player, but I’ll take my chances with Demidov.

Bedard started playing 20 minutes a night with choice offensive assignments and TOI from the get-go.

When Suzuki started getting the same advantages as Bedard, in seasons three and four, he matched Bedard's production to a tee; 22G, 39A, 61P for Bedard VS 21G, 40A, 61P for Suzuki followed by a projectable 21G, 44A, 65P for Bedard and 26G, 40A, 66P for Suzuki.

While Bedard did it at a younger age and with a more slender frame, I consider him to be a similar caliber Center to Suzuki and won't write him off as being less efficient defensively because he hasn't fully grown into his frame yet and vcan be dominated physically more easily than Suzuki at the time, a C that isn't much taller at only an inch more than Bedard, but more massive than Bedard when he started playing 20 minutes a night at more than 200 lbs, or about 20 lbs more than Bedard.

Of course, having a second Suzuki for the top-6 at C would solve our current woes at the position, and for the very long haul, but Bedard's draft pedigree will have him overpaid for his production compared top Suzuki and I'm not sure this is the best way to go either.

Besides, I believe we might end up with top-6 C production and playing style from Demidov as a winger that drives the play while carrying and distributing the puck.

It's a gamble -- because we haven't seen Demidov play at the NHL level yet, but it's like a pair of aces in the hole. You go All-In with that and pass up on Bedard.

Demidov is already much more mature physically than Bedard and described as mature beyond his age

Definitely an excellent offer for Demidov, but, right or wrong, in the end, I would definitely pass.

 

[Thomas Sowell]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

I'd have to think about that one long and hard.
Every other player from every draft since bedard it's a quick and easy no and that includes celebrini as highly as I think of him. Infact I think every player since McDavid draft is a quick and easy no except Matthews. He would give me pause.

I firmly believe Bedard is going to be a 100+ point player. But so is Demidov.

I don't know lol. I am incredibly high on both of them.

 

[ZUKI]

Get him in for the final 9 games of the season and then let him run wild in the playoffs and lead us to a Cup. Then we can pay him ELC money for three years after that!

Pathway to the Glory

 

[Schooner Guy]

I would take Bedard. Demidov is a terrific prospect and maybe our most exciting prospect in decades but he has never played in North America. Bedard is on a terrible team but has generational potential.

Having said this, I would most likely take Celebrini before either of them.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I would take Bedard. Demidov is a terrific prospect and maybe our most exciting prospect in decades but he has never played in North America. Bedard is on a terrible team but has generational potential.

Having said this, I would most likely take Celebrini before either of them.

I agree with your last point on celebrini. I disagree that Bedard is generational though. I've said this for over two years now. He's this generations Patrick Kane. Superstar, will fight for Hart's almost every year but won't be generation defining like McDavid or Crosby. Honestly I think Demidov is more overall naturally talented. Not saying he's necessarily going to be a better player but all Bedard has over demidov is his shot/release. Demidov is more dynamic.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I would take Bedard. Demidov is a terrific prospect and maybe our most exciting prospect in decades but he has never played in North America. Bedard is on a terrible team but has generational potential.

Having said this, I would most likely take Celebrini before either of them.

IMO Celebrini does not have generational talent so if Bedard does he should be the choice of the 2.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Ivan Demidov is a true 1st overall talent for a lot of draft, for sure.

When a KHL player said that Demidov is better than Kaprizov (speak about vision and 1v1) that speak a lot!!

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

Not a chance. Bedard had zero two way game and is considerably smaller. Demidov has the potential to be on a higher level imo. I also think Bedard has been overrated somewhat with the generational label. He’ll be an offensive dynamo in his prime, but still a lot of junior habits to his game

 

[Schooner Guy]

I agree with your last point on celebrini. I disagree that Bedard is generational though. I've said this for over two years now. He's this generations Patrick Kane. Superstar, will fight for Hart's almost every year but won't be generation defining like McDavid or Crosby. Honestly I think Demidov is more overall naturally talented. Not saying he's necessarily going to be a better player but all Bedard has over demidov is his shot/release. Demidov is more dynamic.

I said Bedard has generational potential. I don't think that can be denied.

But yes I agree on your standards for generational players and he surely has his work cut out to get to McDavid or Crosby's level.

 

[Schooner Guy]

IMO Celebrini does not have generational talent so if Bedard does he should be the choice of the 2.

As I stated previously, I think Bedard has potential to be generataional.

Celebrini is such a good all around player that I think people underrate his offensive abilities. He doesn't turn 19 until summer. What he did in the NCAA as someone who should have been in his senior year of high school last year was amazing. What he is doing in the NHL as an 18-year old is equally amazing. Especially given the tough minutes and zone starts San Jose gives him. He hasn't been babied or protected at all.

 

[Bombshell11]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

ewww

 

[Guess]

Lol if the other team's fans would read these posts, there would be a lot of laughing going on.

As much as I think Demidov is going to be amazing, but I'd still take Bedard over him. He's a smallish guy and not the best skater but once he improves his weaknesses he's going to be a force.

It's not like there's a huge difference between the two, though. We have ourselves a good one!

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Lol if the other team's fans would read these posts, there would be a lot of laughing going on.

As much as I think Demidov is going to be amazing, but I'd still take Bedard over him. He's a smallish guy and not the best skater but once he improves his weaknesses he's going to be a force.

It's not like there's a huge difference between the two, though. We have ourselves a good one!

Celebrini just destroyed Bedard in a poll

Thread 'Bedard vs Celebrini'

Tuesday at 11:51 PM

Who would you rather have on your team moving forward?

• NorthernAvsFan
• Replies: 6
• Forum: Polls - (hockey-related only)

Demidov was seen as having as good or better offensive talent than Celebrini.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Secretly refunding is the key. Because nobody is gonna take out a loan for 1 million just to play in the NHL on a ELC. Keep in mind a 1M a year NHL salary is around 500-600K after taxes.

Michlov's contract is bonus ladden. He'll get far more than that.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Just for curiosity, If Chicago gives a call to Hughes, hey Kent, I'll give you Bedard for Demidov, 1 for 1, would you accept ?

Nope

 

[Zalos]

I would not trade Demidov for Bedard. I prefer the toolset of Demidov and I really like his attitude.

This might make me look stupid in the future, but right now this is what I think.

 

[TomKosto]

I would not trade Demidov for Bedard. I prefer the toolset of Demidov and I really like his attitude.

This might make me look stupid in the future, but right now this is what I think.

Bedard seems to get a lot of hate nowdays. Dude has litterally nobody with him in Chicago. I really like Demidov, but I think Bedard is superior.

 

[Zalos]

Bedard seems to get a lot of hate nowdays. Dude has litterally nobody with him in Chicago. I really like Demidov, but I think Bedard is superior.

Well, it's hard to compare them right now because Bedard is having an underwhelming second year and Demidov has yet to play in the NHL.

Still, I just haven't seen anything from Demidov this year that worries me. Quite the opposite, he seems to only be getting better. When he was drafted I wasn't as excited as one might expect, but having watched him play a lot this year, damn!

The best way I can put it is that I thought Bedard was going to be on the level of Crosby when he came into the league. Since his arrival, his stock has only gone down for me, while Demidov has gone up. I think they're pretty close right now, and I just choose to go with the player that has yet to disappoint me. However, it's entirely possible that this is just a bad year for Bedard and as things get better in Chicago, he will get to that generational level. That's why I said I might sound stupid down the road.

Anyway, such a trade would never happen. Obviously, Chicago will not trade the new face of their franchise only two years into his career.

 

[TomKosto]

Well, it's hard to compare them right now because Bedard is having an underwhelming second year and Demidov has yet to play in the NHL.

Still, I just haven't seen anything from Demidov this year that worries me. Quite the opposite, he seems to only be getting better. When he was drafted I wasn't as excited as one might expect, but having watched him play a lot this year, damn!

The best way I can put it is that I thought Bedard was going to be on the level of Crosby when he came into the league. Since his arrival, his stock has only gone down for me, while Demidov has gone up. I think they're pretty close right now, and I just choose to go with the player that has yet to disappoint me. However, it's entirely possible that this is just a bad year for Bedard and as things get better in Chicago, he will get to that generational level. That's why I said I might sound stupid down the road.

Anyway, such a trade would never happen. Chicago obviously will not trade the new face of their franchise only two years into his career.

Yea both are going to be great that’s for sure. It’s also true that Bedard was seen as the next big thing. I don’t know many guys who can do more with that supporting cast though. Crosby had Malkin/Recchi/Gonchar in his first years.

 

[Kshahdoo]

“One of the Most Talented Players I’ve Ever Seen”: Kuznetsov Praises Canadiens Prospect Demidov

Evgeny Kuznetsov calls Canadiens prospect Ivan Demidov “extraordinary” and praises his skill, playmaking, and maturity beyond his years

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