Ivan Demidov 1st career goal

[Garbageyuk]

I watched all of Ribeiro's games with the Habs. Please never compare him to Demidov again.

Not only was he an asshole and a coward on the ice, but his skills only shone once in a while. It's easy to pick a few highlights from him and try to imply he was constantly pulling those moves.

I'm not sure you realize Ivan does that shit all the time, every game. He also has a much better overall toolkit, including an insane hockey IQ, and he has a loveable personality. Personally, I see more of a mix between Kovalev and Kucherov so far.

If he gets to play 20 minutes/game next year, he will get more than PPG. I guarantee it right here.

This. Ffs these guys, acting like I’m out of line for pointing out reality. Guarantee I’ve watched both players way more than that Whiskey guy ever will. Absurd comparison.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Lol, he started his post off with “I might get flamed for this”. Dude knew exactly what he was doing.

...yup; giving his opinion...and it made perfect sense in the context he put it...maybe, just maybe, he knew he'd get jumped by the few usual suspects of overzealous Habs fans...

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Sure thought Demidov should have been picked by MSL for the shootout too.

He was the 4th choice.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He was the 4th choice.

...doesn't matter when you only get 3 for sure...another MSL failure in a long list this Season...

 

[Garbageyuk]

...yup; giving his opinion...and it made perfect sense in the context he put it...maybe, just maybe, he knew he'd get jumped by the few usual suspects of overzealous Habs fans...

Or maybe, just maybe, he knew it was a dumb comparison outside of a couple vague similarities that you could make between dozens and dozens of players, and chose to go through with it anyway because he’s a Devils fan who knew it would stir shit up. Everyone knows Ribeiro is a piece of shit who is hated by Habs fans, and anyone with some sense would know that wouldn’t go over well.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lol, he started his post off with “I might get flamed for this”. Dude knew exactly what he was doing.

Demidov is a unique player. Smooth, deceptive, highly cerebral. Not a burner of a skater, but extremely creative with the puck. Wide base, great lateral mobility and deception while in the tripod. These are all things that he shares stylistically with Ribeiro. Things that Ribeiro did well enough to become a top scorer in this league despite his weak frame and mediocre skating. I'm not at all comparing their personalities or character or anything like that, just their skillsets.

And as I already stated, Demidov is stronger on the puck, a better skater, and a better shooter.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Demidov is a unique player. Smooth, deceptive, highly cerebral. Not a burner of a skater, but extremely creative with the puck. Wide base, great lateral mobility and deception while in the tripod. These are all things that he shares stylistically with Ribeiro. Things that Ribeiro did well enough to become a top scorer in this league despite his weak frame and mediocre skating. I'm not at all comparing their personalities or character or anything like that, just their skillsets.

And as I already stated, Demidov is stronger on the puck, a better skater, and a better shooter.

And grittier, more tenacious, higher intensity, excels in areas that Ribeiro avoided his entire career, works hard off the puck, and is better defensively. And he’s just a better passer and more skilled overall. Oh and he’s not a cowardly, flopping rat of a player like Ribeiro either. Funny how you keep neglecting to mention all that.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Or maybe, just maybe, he knew it was a dumb comparison outside of a couple vague similarities that you could make between dozens and dozens of players, and chose to go through with it anyway because he’s a Devils fan who knew it would stir shit up. Everyone knows Ribeiro is a piece of shit who is hated by Habs fans, and anyone with some sense would know that wouldn’t go over well.

...I call BS...there IS stylistic similarities, just like he posted...I hate Ribeiro as much as the next Habs fan, but he isn't wrong with his assessment there...the ISSUE here specifically is posters that can't even take a f***in' compliment about their players from another fanbase without turning it into yet another Flame War cuz it isn't THEIR opinion, so instead of friendly debate they troll instead...it's just sad...

 

[Frank Drebin]

...I call BS...there IS stylistic similarities, just like he posted...I hate Ribeiro as much as the next Habs fan, but he isn't wrong with his assessment there...the ISSUE here specifically is posters that can't even take a f***in' compliment about their players from another fanbase without turning it into yet another Flame War cuz it isn't THEIR opinion, so instead of friendly debate they troll instead...it's just sad...

yeah just a comparison bro, just a difference of opinion bro, I compared hutson to victor mete because they are both smooth skating small defensemen bro

 

[Garbageyuk]

...I call BS...there IS stylistic similarities, just like he posted...I hate Ribeiro as much as the next Habs fan, but he isn't wrong with his assessment there...the ISSUE here specifically is posters that can't even take a f***in' compliment about their players from another fanbase without turning it into yet another Flame War cuz it isn't THEIR opinion, so instead of friendly debate they troll instead...it's just sad...

No flaming has occurred at all wtf are you talking about lmao. Debating someone’s bullshit take does not constitute flaming.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And grittier, more tenacious, higher intensity, excels in areas that Ribeiro avoided his entire career, works hard off the puck, and is better defensively. And he’s just a better passer and more skilled overall. Oh and he’s not a cowardly, flopping rat of a player like Ribeiro either. Funny how you keep neglecting to mention all that.

I'm comparing offensive skillsets, not character traits, as I have mentioned multiple times now. Being tenacious or a coward or intense or whatever is not relevant the comparison I am making. In no way am I expecting Demidov to be a headcase like Ribeiro was, I would expect him to be a better player and teammate.

And he’s just a better passer and more skilled overall.

In Ribeiro's prime, he might have had the best combination of hands, vision, and creativity in the league. There's a reason he was able produce at such a high level despite his poor skating, weak frame, and muffin shot. Demidov has a more well rounded skill set, but it might be tough for Demidov to meaningfully surpass Ribeiro's hands and vision (at least relative to the leagues they played in).

 

[Garbageyuk]

In Ribeiro's prime, he might have had the best combination of hands, vision, and creativity in the league.

Alright, you are just straight up gaslighting now

There's a reason he was able produce at such a high level despite his poor skating, weak frame, and muffin shot.

He had like 1 good season. “Produce at a high level”

but it might be tough for Demidov to meaningfully surpass Ribeiro's hands and vision (at least relative to the leagues they played in).

. I’m done

 

[Turin]

Read the very next sentence after the one that included Malkin.

You threw out Malkin, he looks nothing like Malkin. He's just Russian and left handed. That's about it lol.

 

[Garbageyuk]

You threw out Malkin, he looks nothing like Malkin. He's just Russian and left handed. That's about it lol.

Actually, I said he’s closer to Malkin than he is to Ribeiro. Reading comprehension bud.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Alright, you are just straight up gaslighting now

He had like 1 good season. “Produce at a high level”

. I’m done

In the 6 seasons from 2007-08 to 2012-13 he was 17th in scoring leaguewide, 9th in primary assists. How is that not producing at a high level?

He scored more points than anyone from the Habs in that span, and was ahead of guys like Corey Perry, Zach Parise, Jason Spezza, Brad Richards, Rick Nash, Marian Hossa, Jonathan Toews, and Phil Kessel.

This is the list of players who outscored him in that span:

That list is almost exclusively hall of famers.

What a talentless bum.

 

[Garbageyuk]

In the 6 seasons from 2007-08 to 2012-13 he was 17th in scoring leaguewide, 9th in primary assists. How is that not producing at a high level?

He scored more points than anyone from the Habs in that span, and was ahead of guys like Corey Perry, Zach Parise, Jason Spezza, Brad Richards, Rick Nash, Marian Hossa, Jonathan Toews, and Phil Kessel.

This is the list of players who outscored him in that span:
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That list is almost exclusively hall of famers.

What a talentless bum.

Oddly enough, I think a better modern day comparison for Ribeiro is Jack Hughes, being that Hughes is also a small, soft perimeter C who avoids physical contact and plays a finesse oriented game.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Oddly enough, I think a better modern day comparison for Ribeiro is Jack Hughes, being that Hughes is also a small, soft perimeter C who avoids physical contact and plays a finesse oriented game.

The biggest difference being Hughes relies significantly on his skating, as he's one of the best skaters in the league, while Ribeiro was far below average. I wish Hughes had Ribeiro's poise and composure, often times Jack tries to just blow by everyone and ends up bobbling the puck.

 

[Turin]

Actually, I said he’s closer to Malkin than he is to Ribeiro. Reading comprehension bud.

And out of all the players who ever played hockey who weren't Riberio, you chose Evgeni Malkin. And you were wrong and it was a silly thing to say.

 

[Strangle]

Are

you

kidding?

Matthews scored 4 goals in his debut

 

[Garbageyuk]

The biggest difference being Hughes relies significantly on his skating, as he's one of the best skaters in the league, while Ribeiro was far below average. I wish Hughes had Ribeiro's poise and composure, often times Jack tries to just blow by everyone and ends up bobbling the puck.

You are severely overrating Ribeiro in this thread. He had one good year and a couple more okay ones. And I’d argue that he was always a net negative, even in his best production years. He was atrocious in the faceoff circle, did not play defense or do anything off the puck, was lazy as hell, and took the dumbest, most unnecessary penalties at the worst times. He was a flopper and a coward who always disappeared in big games (when he wasn’t making an embarrassing spectacle of himself) outside of literally one post-season. Also, he was somehow almost always a minus player, even when he played on good teams. And this is all just the stuff on the ice.

Stylistic similarities aside, Hughes is just plain better in Ribeiro’s strong areas, and comes with a lot less of the bad areas. He also plays a much more effective transition game, in addition to the superior skating you mentioned.

I still think the original comparison is absurdly off-base. Seems like you painted yourself into a corner and then decided to double down rather than admit there are many more differences than any vague similarities there might be. But agree to disagree.

 

[Garbageyuk]

And out of all the players who ever played hockey who weren't Riberio, you chose Evgeni Malkin. And you were wrong and it was a silly thing to say.

It’s not at all as crazy you’re trying to make it seem. Other players and coaches have made the comparison also, but go ahead and pretend to be outraged if it helps your bogus narrative.

 

[Zalos]

Matthews scored 4 goals in his debut

And we were happy for him. What's your point?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You are severely overrating Ribeiro in this thread. He had one good year and a couple more okay ones.

He had a top 10 finish, a 12th place finish, and 2 other top 20 scoring finishes in that span.

And I’d argue that he was always a net negative, even in his best production years. He was atrocious in the faceoff circle, did not play defense or do anything off the puck, was lazy as hell, and took the dumbest, most unnecessary penalties at the worst times. He was a flopper and a coward who always disappeared in big games (when he wasn’t making an embarrassing spectacle of himself) outside of literally one post-season. Also, he was somehow almost always a minus player, even when he played on good teams. And this is all just the stuff on the ice.

All of that is completely irrelevant. I am comparing their offensive skill sets and tendencies.

Stylistic similarities aside, Hughes is just plain better in Ribeiro’s strong areas, and comes with a lot less of the bad areas. He also plays a much more effective transition game, in addition to the superior skating you mentioned.

I still think the original comparison is absurdly off-base. Seems like you painted yourself into a corner and then decided to double down rather than admit there are many more differences than any vague similarities there might be. But agree to disagree.

That's why I only compared the areas where they are similar, which are not insignificant. Demidov's hands, composure, vision, and lateral mobility are the most important parts of his game. And his mediocre acceleration and top speed are two things he'll have to overcome or improve upon. These are some of the key defining aspects of his offensive game, as they were for Ribeiro.

Demidov's shooting and strength on the puck are key differentiators, and he's a smoother overall skater. These broader skills, which I highlighted in my initial comparison, make him more effective in the corners, and a bigger threat to drive the net.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He had a top 10 finish, a 12th place finish, and 2 other top 20 scoring finishes in that span.

All of that is completely irrelevant. I am comparing their offensive skill sets and tendencies.

That's why I only compared the areas where they are similar, which are not insignificant. Demidov's hands, composure, vision, and lateral mobility are the most important parts of his game. And his mediocre acceleration and top speed are two things he'll have to overcome or improve upon. These are some of the key defining aspects of his offensive game, as they were for Ribeiro.

Demidov's shooting and strength on the puck are key differentiators, and he's a smoother overall skater. These broader skills, which I highlighted in my initial comparison, make him more effective in the corners, and a bigger threat to drive the net.

...amigo, just stop trying to explain; most Habs fans would get it, even those that HATED Ribeiro...no sense reasoning with those who care not for Reason...

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Matthews scored 4 goals in his debut

Wow! 1 more and he could have matched his career playoff high