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It Is What It Is: Kirk Luedeke Breaks Down B's D

Sounds like Chia to me. He couldn't see the window is closed so he trades 2 2nd rounders for Connolly...

Trade Eriksson, Seidenberg, Krejci, Mcquaid, Miller, Krug get some picks or prospects, lets REBUILD PROPERLY, enough of this retool language, we are not close to winning anything.. This team is sooooo far away from winning 4 4 out of 7 series against the other teams in this league.

Trading one or two of the above......specifically Loui and either Seids, Miller or McQuaid would be reasonable and if done right, could allow this them to contend while Bergy, Krejci, Rask and Marchand are still in their prime.

Anything beyond 1-2 would move too much to overcome, and at that point you may as well move Bergy and Rask as well.
 
Trading one or two of the above......specifically Loui and either Seids, Miller or McQuaid would be reasonable and if done right, could allow this them to contend while Bergy, Krejci, Rask and Marchand are still in their prime.

Anything beyond 1-2 would move too much to overcome, and at that point you may as well move Bergy and Rask as well.

You could, but having Bergeron and Marchand to teach the kids would be a good move, something Edmonton wishes it has...
 
Go for what? win maybe one round?

Also disagree there is such thing as "enough prospects and draft picks"

Yep, there are lot of holes still in the prospect pool and all in in your re-tool year isn't the smartest plan.
 
they should keep him and go for it....they have top 5 prospect pool by anyone with a clue and are sitting with multiple picks in top two rounds next two years- they have enough prospects and draft picks

If I am running the Bruins I keep Eriksson

I would rather trade him and have 3 first round picks for sure..If they keep him and miss playoffs or go out quick and are forced to watch him walk it would be a foolish move from a fans perspective.Sorry to disagree but I rather take sure thing.
 
Great stuff as always from Kirk.

Think Trotman is flying under the radar a bit- he's been the brightest surprise on the back end this year- particularly of late. His decision making and execution is much quicker than I expected. He's got the size/strength and has been starting to use it. I could see him turning into a Seidenberg type player in a year or two (didn't think he had that in him this time last year).

The biggest disappointments have to be Morrow and Miller. Morrow reminds me a lot of Matt Lashoff- has all the skills to dominate at lower levels and cover for their own mistakes- but the casual unfocused game will regularly get him into trouble in the NHL. Whatever minutes they had planned for him they should force feed to C Miller. He needs the reps to smooth out the rough edges in his game and settle into himself.

Definitely agree on Trotman. I think Morrow has potential, but I'm starting to think he won't get a chance to prove that potential here, which I'm fine with.
 
If I am running the Bruins I keep Eriksson

From your mouth to Don Sweeney's ear.

He's just too integral to the team's success. Marchand/Bergeron, Eriksson/Krejci, Spooner. Those are the key forwards. Pastrnak and Vatrano need time. Beleske and Hayes are complimentary pieces. Everyone else are bottom six/three players: Ferraro, Talbot, Connolly, Rinaldo, Kemp.

I understand the challenges. I just don't believe losing a key top-six forward should be the price paid to shore up the defense. I think we have enough solid rooks with excellent potential to help with the rebuild of the blue line.

If the goal is a deep run in the playoffs, losing Eriksson probably makes that a road too far.
 
they should keep him and go for it....they have top 5 prospect pool by anyone with a clue and are sitting with multiple picks in top two rounds next two years- they have enough prospects and draft picks

If I am running the Bruins I keep Eriksson

Agree wholeheartedly.

About the d though. Personally I don't mind if they ponied up for a decent vet. Someone like bouwmeester. not him per se but just a solid top 4 guy that could play heavy minutes for the next couple years. doesnt have to be cornerstone player for the next decade.
 
From your mouth to Don Sweeney's ear.

He's just too integral to the team's success. Marchand/Bergeron, Eriksson/Krejci, Spooner. Those are the key forwards. Pastrnak and Vatrano need time. Beleske and Hayes are complimentary pieces. Everyone else are bottom six/three players: Ferraro, Talbot, Connolly, Rinaldo, Kemp.

I understand the challenges. I just don't believe losing a key top-six forward should be the price paid to shore up the defense. I think we have enough solid rooks with excellent potential to help with the rebuild of the blue line.

If the goal is a deep run in the playoffs, losing Eriksson probably makes that a road too far.

How do you make a deep playoff run with this team?
and losing Eriksson for free would be depressing.
 
From your mouth to Don Sweeney's ear.

He's just too integral to the team's success. Marchand/Bergeron, Eriksson/Krejci, Spooner. Those are the key forwards. Pastrnak and Vatrano need time. Beleske and Hayes are complimentary pieces. Everyone else are bottom six/three players: Ferraro, Talbot, Connolly, Rinaldo, Kemp.

I understand the challenges. I just don't believe losing a key top-six forward should be the price paid to shore up the defense. I think we have enough solid rooks with excellent potential to help with the rebuild of the blue line.

If the goal is a deep run in the playoffs, losing Eriksson probably makes that a road too far.

Well, let's agree to disagree.

The Bruins don't have great offensive talent, but they can score by committee. It's not as though LE is an elite sniper. He's a garbage goal guy, and I'm not putting that down.

But, again, given that the crying need on this team is defense, Loui's value & contract status, I'm willing to let him go for help on the back end.

This may be unfair but given his age, contract and ultimate value to the team -- beyond perhaps a round or two in the playoffs this year at best -- I would see what's out there.

I got flack for a declarative statement elsewhere that Z will likely not be here next year, as I can't see him filling the number one role at absurd minutes this year, never mind next.

But, I'll double down and say this is not a team going very far in the playoffs, should they make them. I like them but they aren't talented enough, or deep enough, to go very far.

That being the case, I would trade Loui, prospects & draft picks to bring in D depth and initiate restructuring of the blueline, which would help this year and going forward.

You have to begin somewhere, and it's my belief that you begin with goaltending, strong D, and strong center. The B's are relatively set in goal and at center. It's the D they need to address.
 
Sounds like Chia to me. He couldn't see the window is closed so he trades 2 2nd rounders for Connolly...

Trade Eriksson, Seidenberg, Krejci, Mcquaid, Miller, Krug get some picks or prospects, lets REBUILD PROPERLY, enough of this retool language, we are not close to winning anything.. This team is sooooo far away from winning 4 4 out of 7 series against the other teams in this league.

Welcome to Edmonton!
 
Grudgingly, I think he's bang on about Chara, Miller, Sieds, and McQuaid.

Not sure the sample size is big enough to draw the conclusions he draws about Chiller and even more so about Morrow.

Trotman and Krug, I think he's overrating a little bit. He's right that Krug is the Bruins 2nd best D man and that if not for his size he'd be the candidate to replace Chara. But Krug is what he is and Kirk evaluates him a little higher than I do. Trotman, I'll just say that I'm not a fan.

Just my 2 cents, I admit Kirk is way more qualified than I am to evaluate a hockey player.
 
i am willing to bet that the leafs would trade lupul and jake gardiner for collin miller and prospect zack senyshen but if I was Don Sweeney I would not do it.
 
And I would work to resign Eriksson.

I feel 85% sure that Eriksson will seek the big UFA payday - with $ and term security. Do you think The Bruins will pony up for what his agent will want?

I don't think Sweeney will. Lucic was more a Bruins-type forward, and he traded him to help the team. I think Sweeney probably appreciates what Loui has done this season, but doesn't see him as a long-term piece of the Bruins future.

Ultimately, unless he gets traded this season, the decision about where Loui plays next season will be up to Loui, and I don't think Sweeney will let it come to that. He'll trade him for blueline help.
 
I feel 85% sure that Eriksson will seek the big UFA payday - with $ and term security. Do you think The Bruins will pony up for what his agent will want?

I don't think Sweeney will. Lucic was more a Bruins-type forward, and he traded him to help the team. I think Sweeney probably appreciates what Loui has done this season, but doesn't see him as a long-term piece of the Bruins future.

Ultimately, unless he gets traded this season, the decision about where Loui plays next season will be up to Loui, and I don't think Sweeney will let it come to that. He'll trade him for blueline help.

That's my read, too. LE is not a long term core player for *this* team. Nor do I believe he's that keen to stay.

I have nothing against the player, but I would explore a trade.
 
Kirk nailed it.

Also, I would trade Eriksson to bring in assets to spend on their other needs either at the deadline or in the offseason, no sense in standing pat when they're as flawed as they are. Pastrnak would blunt that loss to some degree as he's been a non factor all year. I'd like to see what teams would offer for Connolly and probably Hayes as well.
 
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I would rather trade him and have 3 first round picks for sure..If they keep him and miss playoffs or go out quick and are forced to watch him walk it would be a foolish move from a fans perspective.Sorry to disagree but I rather take sure thing.

I'm sorry to disagree, but regardless of if he walks, trading Loui for a first round pick is about as far from a "sure thing" as there is in the sports world. The "sure thing" in this scenario is re-signing him.

You are right in that there is probably more pure roster asset value in trading Loui for picks, but it's not realistic to say that it is a "sure thing". Given Loui's versatility, he's probably our first or second most valuable winger if we can sign him long term. There aren't many wingers in this system beating down the door for first/second line right wing, and even if there were, he can play the left wing. Also, given his skill set, I'm pretty sure he can maintain this level of play for quite a few years to come. I was on the "trade Eriksson" train for most of the season, but since none of the bottom 6 wings look capable of filling in top 6 minutes consistently I think you have to keep him.
 
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The offense should be more or less settled for the next few years. The defense needs to be reevaluated and some big changes need to be done just like it was with the offense, the Lucic move needs to be done on defense. Seidenberg needs to go and they need to think about the kevan miller's and mcquaid's of this roster. I'd say they need an overhaul with Chara as the mentor of a new group.

I would trade Eriksson if he is looking for big money but they should try and sign him before they ship him out, and this needs to be done until the deadline.

Krejci/Eriksson; Marchand/Bergeron; Beleskey/Spooner/Pasta, now fill the last 2 spots with rookies and ELC guys.

Would love to get Michael Stone in here for example. You pair him with Krug and that right there is a great 2nd pair that can take a lot of pressure out of an eventual Chara pair.
 
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Player Position Shoots Team Age Cap Hit
Length Expiry Status
Eric Staal C Left CAR 31 $8,250,000
Steven Stamkos C Right TBL 25 $7,500,000
Milan Lucic LW Left LAK 27 $6,000,000
Patrik Elias C Left NJD 39 $5,500,000
Shane Doan RW Right ARI 39 $5,300,000
Radim Vrbata RW Right VAN 34 $5,000,000
Sam Gagner C Right PHI 26 $4,800,000
Tuomo Ruutu LW Left NJD 32 $4,750,000
Teddy Purcell RW Right EDM 30 $4,500,000
David Backes C Right STL 31 $4,500,000
Kris Versteeg LW Right CAR 29 $4,400,000
Andrew Ladd LW Left WPG 30 $4,400,000
Loui Eriksson RW Left BOS 30 $4,250,000
David Jones RW Right CGY 31 $4,000,000
Jiri Hudler C Left CGY 32 $4,000,000


Too lazy to make it look nicer...but outside of Andrew Ladd, for the money and who is likely available...who is a better option at the deadline than Loui?

Consider that his low salary means teams like Chicago/Dallas/Washington can afford Loui as well....I would be hoping for more than simply a first round pick....

I might be crazy but there is not much competition on the wing this deadline.....

The Bruins aren't winning a stanley cup, they can win the trade deadline and set themselves up for next year.
 
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I would rather trade him and have 3 first round picks for sure..If they keep him and miss playoffs or go out quick and are forced to watch him walk it would be a foolish move from a fans perspective.Sorry to disagree but I rather take sure thing.
I did the math when their top 4 forwards play and their best O & D blue liner and its over 111 points ~ over 1/3 of season sample size

Add in

Spooner has taken another jump in level with Krejci out
Power play #1 in efficiency most of year
Penalty kill # 1 since November 15th
Deep and skilled prospect pool and sitting with 6 first or second rounders next two years

I'd keep Loui and
Try and win
And try and resign him
Bruins in March 2011 went 0-6-2 and HF said they won't win a round
 
I trade Eriksson in a hockey trade, not a picks and prospects kind of trade.

I'm thinking a similar trade to Blake Wheeler for Peverley, but in the opposite way. Can we trade the guy producing now, for the young player with potential in the future?

The Bruins are actually one of the younger teams in the NHL, but I feel our core is too old. Chara 38, Seidenberg 34, Eriksson 30, Bergeron 30, Krejci 29 (30 this year). Can we find a guy who can replace Seidenberg who is below the age of 28 for Eriksson? if we can, you have to make that trade.
 
How do you make a deep playoff run with this team?
and losing Eriksson for free would be depressing.

the Florida Panthers are in first in the Conference- if Boston and Florida are both healthy, you can have Florida, I'll take Boston.

Bruins fans crack me up- they see every other team as better than they are, and the Bruins worse

if HF still has it go read March of 2011. That month is all you need to know about Bruins fans....they wanted Thomas traded, Boychuk waived, Claude fired, Ryder a waste.

In March of 2011 the Bruins went to Toronto and Montreal and lost both games by multiple goals- the hate, the 'this team will never win a round' trade for prospects, picks....yada yada.

the core of this team in a 28 game sample over 110 points

their special teams are at or near top of all 30 teams

all about health but if they have it I will go into a playoff series with this team
 
If Louie wants too much we need to move him by trade deadline. I like Louie, very intelligent player but I'm not sure how we fit him into our long term plans. I see Pasternak as Krejci's RWer long term and I haven't seen Louie show much chemistry with Marchand/Bergy in the past.

If we have a move that makes sense involving Louie and a D (Miller(s), Mcquaid, Trotman, Seids or Morrow I'd take a long look. My preference would be a young non roster D'man that has top 4 upside.

For the record I like both C. Miller and Morrow but I'm not sold on their ceiling.
 

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