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Salary Cap: It is time to put pressure on Melnyk
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DylanSensFan
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I supported Melnyk's bid for a Casino... why would I attack him for trying to make a difference. But he said in an interview tonight that he wants this team to be competitive... you cannot do that by sitting on your hands.
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But again, what is he supposed to do? More money won't immediately make team want to trade their talent to Ottawa or suddenly give Murray incredible powers of persuasion.
Gil Gunderson
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It makes it easier to make trades when the other team doesn't have to take back salary. That seems to be the issue now.
In the 2012 offseason Murray was apparently offered Zbynek Michalek from Pittsburgh for almost nothing, but it didn't work out as Melnyk wouldn't have allowed it unless Gonchar's contract went the other way.
Be sensible please.
Michalek has lost a step and acceleration due to injuries, but the fact is he is virtually untradeable. Michalek won't be re-signed and Murray will replace him this summer.
Unfortunately Coancher isn't ready for top six duty, he needs to time to develop and throwing him in against the top players would serve no purpose.
pepty
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Kovalev for 2 years at 5 mil per year etc - he spent but not wisely.
Fans have responded very well to a rebuild but you expect that with a rebuild you are actually building toward being a contender and not short circuiting the process by keeping the team on a tight budget.
Fans have responded very well to a rebuild but you expect that with a rebuild you are actually building toward being a contender and not short circuiting the process by keeping the team on a tight budget.
Qward
Because! That's why!
$12 for parking.
$239 for a new jersey
$220 for 2 tickets
$7 for 50/50
$45 for food and drinks.
I do this 4 or 5 times a year. I live 2 hours away from Ottawa. Saying I do not get a say because I am not a STH is ********.
People that are on here upset are not spoiled little kids. We are fans. We get emotionally invested in our team. We cheer when they score, boo when the ref misses a call and put our hearts out there. When the team is not doing well, we want to see the same level of passion in the owner and the GM that we have. When we don't see it, we have every right to be upset.
The two other fan bases that bother us the most are the Habs and the Leafs. They also happen to be two teams that can spend to the cap. When we are sitting on 14M in cap space and we cannot take advantage of it, it becomes frustrating. 14M is two star players in today's NHL.
It just feels like Melynk only starting caring about a budget when he got denied a Casino. It comes across as if he is using the team to cry poor so that city council will bend.
He cries he is losing 10M a year, but turns around and says the team is priceless to him.
I understand everyone's frustration and I am not going to come here and tell people their feelings aren't valid.
$239 for a new jersey
$220 for 2 tickets
$7 for 50/50
$45 for food and drinks.
I do this 4 or 5 times a year. I live 2 hours away from Ottawa. Saying I do not get a say because I am not a STH is ********.
People that are on here upset are not spoiled little kids. We are fans. We get emotionally invested in our team. We cheer when they score, boo when the ref misses a call and put our hearts out there. When the team is not doing well, we want to see the same level of passion in the owner and the GM that we have. When we don't see it, we have every right to be upset.
The two other fan bases that bother us the most are the Habs and the Leafs. They also happen to be two teams that can spend to the cap. When we are sitting on 14M in cap space and we cannot take advantage of it, it becomes frustrating. 14M is two star players in today's NHL.
It just feels like Melynk only starting caring about a budget when he got denied a Casino. It comes across as if he is using the team to cry poor so that city council will bend.
He cries he is losing 10M a year, but turns around and says the team is priceless to him.
I understand everyone's frustration and I am not going to come here and tell people their feelings aren't valid.
LynxBud
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Yeah I don't think boycotting the team is the way to go, but who could really blame anyone for not wanting to tune in to watch this? People follow sports because they are entertaining. Right now, the Ottawa Senators are not an entertaining sports team. They're just frustrating to watch the vast majority of the time. If the team was losing while putting up a valiant effort, it would be a much easier pill to swallow.
Right now I'm only able to keep myself interested in the team by focusing on the players who ARE playing well. Right now I just really hope the team can convince Ryan to stay, because management is only showing him that they aren't committed to winning. If the team isn't committed to winning, the players who give a **** are going to look elsewhere for a chance at the cup.
Right now I'm only able to keep myself interested in the team by focusing on the players who ARE playing well. Right now I just really hope the team can convince Ryan to stay, because management is only showing him that they aren't committed to winning. If the team isn't committed to winning, the players who give a **** are going to look elsewhere for a chance at the cup.
Sens are constantly in the top of league attendance; has been making the playoffs(easy profit, players dont get paid in playoffs); spends very little; in canadian market so naturally sells a lot of merchandise; sounds like hes making a lot of money on sportsnet games; owns the arena so hes making money from concerts and such; Forbes say the Sens are profiting and I dont think that includes non-sens events.
He can spend more no doubt. He puts the Sens profit towards his other companies and cries poor so he can get a casino.
The Sens aren't the only ones losing because of Melnyk. The fans are getting a giant fudge you from Melnyk and all we did was smother the Sens with support and love.
Stylizer1
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Heard an interview today with former mayor Larry O'Brien and he said back when he was mayor He spoke to Melnyk about building a soccer stadium next to the CTC before the plans to develop Lansdowne. He also said that one thing was that he would have to allow for CFL football there and melnyk said no because he "hated" the CFL. O'Brien said it was the only way because the city didn't want 2 separate stadiums. O'Brien also said he was in favour of closing the Rideau Carlton Raceway and was in favour of accepting offers from bidders. Melnyk could have had NHL, CFL, and MLS all on his doorstep but because he wanted no part in the CFL he lost out on much more. Instead he just has a hockey team now.
When you look at it now Lansdowne could have all been built next to the CTC with a Casino.
StefanW
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The internal cap stuff really bothers me, mostly because it is set so low. If a team in Wpg can spend more than we can and still make a tidy profit there is a huge problem.
I am not a fair weather fan. I stuck by the team when it sucked a couple of years ago, and cheered when the call ups from Bingo were looking better than the vets that were traded away. I bought into the rebuild, and looked forward to seeing a team that would compete every night even if it lacked a bit in the talent department.
However, I am struggling now to stay motivated in following the team. More often than not the team plays like crap, and we see the exact same bone headed defensive lapses now as we saw in the first 5 games of the schedule. That is no problem in and of itself, because I have followed weak teams in the past. My problem is that I firmly believe that this ship could be righted if we added a couple of pieces, and that those pieces could be available to us, except for the fact that our internal budget prevents us from any move that is not dollar in-dollar out. This is despite having gads of cap space.
I do not expect the teams I follow to win every game, or to make the playoffs every year. They will occasionally suck, which is expected in sports. But I struggle to follow a team that is held back because they refuse to spend the cash it takes to get better. If there is no commitment to the product on the ice on the part of ownership, why should I commit to that product as a fan?
I also get very resentful when Melynk starts to complain about fickle fans in Ottawa. Maybe more fans would be in CTC if he shut his mouth over the summer instead of making headlines with his casino bid, how much the team lost, and losing Alfie after insulting him with their contract offer. He may have saved the team years ago, but that does not give him the right to burn the product label to the ground.
I am not a fair weather fan. I stuck by the team when it sucked a couple of years ago, and cheered when the call ups from Bingo were looking better than the vets that were traded away. I bought into the rebuild, and looked forward to seeing a team that would compete every night even if it lacked a bit in the talent department.
However, I am struggling now to stay motivated in following the team. More often than not the team plays like crap, and we see the exact same bone headed defensive lapses now as we saw in the first 5 games of the schedule. That is no problem in and of itself, because I have followed weak teams in the past. My problem is that I firmly believe that this ship could be righted if we added a couple of pieces, and that those pieces could be available to us, except for the fact that our internal budget prevents us from any move that is not dollar in-dollar out. This is despite having gads of cap space.
I do not expect the teams I follow to win every game, or to make the playoffs every year. They will occasionally suck, which is expected in sports. But I struggle to follow a team that is held back because they refuse to spend the cash it takes to get better. If there is no commitment to the product on the ice on the part of ownership, why should I commit to that product as a fan?
I also get very resentful when Melynk starts to complain about fickle fans in Ottawa. Maybe more fans would be in CTC if he shut his mouth over the summer instead of making headlines with his casino bid, how much the team lost, and losing Alfie after insulting him with their contract offer. He may have saved the team years ago, but that does not give him the right to burn the product label to the ground.
But what else can we do? We are sick and tired of having this crap in front of us. Sens fans deserve better then what they have right now. They deserve an owner who will do everything in his power to ice the best team possible, is that to much to ask?
DylanSensFan
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******** Conacher is not ready for the top 6... the only reason he is not up there is because of Michalek. Conacher was playing in Tampa's top 6 before he ever played the 200ft defensive game he now plays. He is a lot less of a liability than Spezza and skates a lot harder. He is better at possession and skating with the puck than Michalek. It makes no sense to me why we have a player like Michalek who's career looks done. At this point I would trade Michalek for late round picks, I am done watching him do barely anything.
HavlatMach9
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economics isn't straightforward, so for all we know he's losing money. but when he comes and says things like we're losing 10m a year or we need to make round two to make money, i don't believe he's being honest. He can come out and say whatever he wants and he knows no one has the information to challenge him.
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Just saying, this is not proof. It's a lot of conjecture and guess work and selective memory.
Same with reading manipulative intent into everything Melnyk says. Do you have to believe everything? No. I don't necessarily. But I'm not going to string the guy up or claim he's telling us to fudge off by putting a cap on this team's salary. It could be what's needed to keep things viable. And we were doing just fine with pretty much the same team last year.
There are so many moving parts to this, so much that we can't see, I'm surprised that anyone can state anything so definitively that they would allow such a strong hatred to develop.
I'm all for bringing in salary and spending more , but I have no idea what is being offered out there and at what cost. I don't even care if we acquire a player that's overpaid if he helps now I just don't want to overpay in assets.
A lot of the guys we expected to be big parts of the team are struggling. Murray and melnyk took a risk that those players would improve or maintain there level of play and clearly that did not work. It sucks and with hindsight being 20/20 I'm sure they would of done a lot different. I personally think we need 2 significant pieces to compete ( top 6 forward , top 4 d) but those pieces are hard to come by and if made available would start a bidding war.
As much as it pains me to say it we probably are better off not doing much , assessing the players this year and hope they show improvements and those who don't can be shipped out and new players signed in the off season when its much easier to alter the make up of your team.
A lot of the guys we expected to be big parts of the team are struggling. Murray and melnyk took a risk that those players would improve or maintain there level of play and clearly that did not work. It sucks and with hindsight being 20/20 I'm sure they would of done a lot different. I personally think we need 2 significant pieces to compete ( top 6 forward , top 4 d) but those pieces are hard to come by and if made available would start a bidding war.
As much as it pains me to say it we probably are better off not doing much , assessing the players this year and hope they show improvements and those who don't can be shipped out and new players signed in the off season when its much easier to alter the make up of your team.
Sens Rule
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Spending more now, or in the off season would very possibly not have helped the team. Gonchar was great last year but clearly ftom his play in Dallas was not worth $5 million a year for 2 years. Alfredsson is another issue. I think he wanted less pressure and a chance to be a player and not a God for a year or two. Like seriously.... IPhones were saying he was GOD! The spin is about money and respect, but I don't think it was because of the organization being cheap.
So where should we have spent the money? Signed Cowen and Wiercioch for longish deals. Got MacArthur who has been awesome, traded for Ryan who makes a lot more then silfverberg.
The issue is because Melnyk whined and played the poverty card about getting the casino. This team shouldn't have signed more mid tier UFAs to too big contracts in free agency. Hindsight is 20/20... No one foresaw Cowen and Wiercioch playing this poorly.
This team was supposed to be better as is. It might turn around as is. We have the cap space to really add before the deadline or at the deadline, and few good teams have any cap space tp do that.
If we had spent to near the cap on the off season who should we have brought in? Who should we have given up to get that or those players?
Melnyk said that if it makes sense we could add salary on TSN before last nights game.
I am no big fan of Melnyk, but he did spend to the Cap for many years, and the last few while not spending to the cap it made sense. One reason we could add $5 million in salary with Bobby Ryan for prospects and a rookie is because we had the cap space to do it.
This team has not played well this season, but it isn't because we are $9 or $10 million below the cap, that is and was the logical place to be after last season.
I think we will end up adding some veteran salary as the season goes on to improve the team. But it won't be out of a need to just add salary... It will be a well thought out trade. I trust the management of this team.
So where should we have spent the money? Signed Cowen and Wiercioch for longish deals. Got MacArthur who has been awesome, traded for Ryan who makes a lot more then silfverberg.
The issue is because Melnyk whined and played the poverty card about getting the casino. This team shouldn't have signed more mid tier UFAs to too big contracts in free agency. Hindsight is 20/20... No one foresaw Cowen and Wiercioch playing this poorly.
This team was supposed to be better as is. It might turn around as is. We have the cap space to really add before the deadline or at the deadline, and few good teams have any cap space tp do that.
If we had spent to near the cap on the off season who should we have brought in? Who should we have given up to get that or those players?
Melnyk said that if it makes sense we could add salary on TSN before last nights game.
I am no big fan of Melnyk, but he did spend to the Cap for many years, and the last few while not spending to the cap it made sense. One reason we could add $5 million in salary with Bobby Ryan for prospects and a rookie is because we had the cap space to do it.
This team has not played well this season, but it isn't because we are $9 or $10 million below the cap, that is and was the logical place to be after last season.
I think we will end up adding some veteran salary as the season goes on to improve the team. But it won't be out of a need to just add salary... It will be a well thought out trade. I trust the management of this team.
Sens Rule
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And adding to this... Teams don't trade good top 4 D-men and top 6 wingers easily, certainly not less then a third of the way through the season. I think basically one team of 30 has given up fighting for a playoff spot at this point. Buffalo. Many Sens fans have already given up on our playoff chances... I don't think the GM in Edmonton or Calgary or Florida has completely given up on theirs yet. 82 games is a long, long time and hardly any team is willing to give up on the playoffs until it is impossible to make them. Thinking there are all these available players is nonsense, just like the Trade Board on HF.
Stylizer1
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We have just over 12 million in cap space. At the 12 minute mark of each period the fans should chant Melnyk, Melnyk, Melnyk.
It is the only way his customers can speak to him directly.
It is the only way his customers can speak to him directly.
Qward
Because! That's why!
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