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detroit drafted james 2nd rd . he just decided to play next season in college instead of signing with wings . and now if he chooses to not sign with detroit before next august he becomes a ufa and detroit gets zilch for the 2nd rd pick it used to draft him . how is this fair to a team ? to me if a player doesnt report the team should get the same spot in next draft that it used to make the pick , the team that was supposed to pick in the spot just pix one place later

 
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deca guard said:
detroit drafted james 2nd rd . he just decided to play next season in college instead of signing with wings . and now if he chooses to not sign with detroit before next august he becomes a ufa and detroit gets zilch for the 2nd rd pick it used to draft him . how is this fair to a team ? to me if a player doesnt report the team should get the same spot in next draft that it used to make the pick , the team that was supposed to pick in the spot just pix one place later

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They'll get a 3rd rounder back I believe, not zilch but not great
 
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deca guard said:
detroit drafted james 2nd rd . he just decided to play next season in college instead of signing with wings . and now if he chooses to not sign with detroit before next august he becomes a ufa and detroit gets zilch for the 2nd rd pick it used to draft him . how is this fair to a team ? to me if a player doesnt report the team should get the same spot in next draft that it used to make the pick , the team that was supposed to pick in the spot just pix one place later

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Detroit still can sign him after his senior year I believe.

Also to say it’s unfair to the team can’t you say the same thing when teams decide not to sign propsects.
 
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While it may happen that way, it does seem like it's more a decision about the good situation at UND rather than whatever feelings he has towards the Wings, whereas most other situations where players don't sign after 4 years in college, it usually has to deal with wanting to avoid a situation in the NHL.
 
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Hmm for every 2nd rounder+ who bolts via the college UFA route, there's bound to be a bunch who just don't pan out where teams would love a free draft pick for being "unable" to sign them. Maybe it's as easy as the team having to offer a contract in order to be eligible for a comp pick... I think NHL ELCs are quite standard-form anyway. But there have been issues in baseball with players and teams fighting over wether there was a reasonable attempt to sign or something IIRC. So when the lawyers get involved, a seemingly simple rule could turn into headaches that probably aren't worth it.

I'm just realising that this is a pretty pointless post, but f***, I ain't gonna delete it now
 
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Highly-paid executives have 4 (typically for NCAA) years of control over a teenager's employment in after an involuntary draft and there's the thought that these billion dollar franchises deserve compensation for failing to sign a player in that giant window?
 
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BackToTheBrierePatch said:
Detroit doesn’t lose his rights if he goes back to school. Unless the rules have changed they keep his rights until Aug. 15. after he graduates from college.
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The rules for drafting pkayers ste

CHL--2 yrs . If 20 after e yrs they re-enter thr drsft. If they get picked sd gs ih n it's another 3 yrs then they ste UFA after 1 june draft year+4

EURO -- rights 4 yrs till June 1 draft yr+4.

NCAA -' its complicated but generally.

(A) rights thru AUG 15 of graduation yr if they stay in school after jan 1 of senior yr

Why aug 15? Because college schedules vary. From frd funding its defined as mid aug begins colleve yrs from fed funding standpoint. The drsftedbplayets can finish school and graduate before signing a contract.

(B) if they leave before jan 1 of sr yr, it reverts to june 1 draft yr+4 or 30 days, which every is later.
 
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deca guard said:
detroit drafted james 2nd rd . he just decided to play next season in college instead of signing with wings . and now if he chooses to not sign with detroit before next august he becomes a ufa and detroit gets zilch for the 2nd rd pick it used to draft him . how is this fair to a team ? to me if a player doesnt report the team should get the same spot in next draft that it used to make the pick , the team that was supposed to pick in the spot just pix one place later

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Thats in the CBA. What is the issue.

It would be interesting if hockey changes draft ruled to be like baseball.

In baseball you can draft an 18 yr old and sign them. If they dony sign and go to college, team listed their rights. Then the colege players re-'enter the draft pool after their 3rd yr in college.
 
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deca guard said:
detroit drafted james 2nd rd . he just decided to play next season in college instead of signing with wings . and now if he chooses to not sign with detroit before next august he becomes a ufa and detroit gets zilch for the 2nd rd pick it used to draft him . how is this fair to a team ? to me if a player doesnt report the team should get the same spot in next draft that it used to make the pick , the team that was supposed to pick in the spot just pix one place later

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Welcome to Anaheim’s pain. At least this doesn’t happen to you repeatedly.
 
Just to echo another poster, it would get messy differentiating between a player refusing to sign and a team not wanting to commit an ELC on the player. For instance, it doesn't seem likely that the Kings will offer 2022 2nd rounder Jack Hughes a contract because he hasn't progressed like they had hoped.

Granted, teams have done this with first round picks (Daultan Leveille, Jay O'Brien) to garner the compensatory 2nd. But I'd imagine there'd be many more cases with teams preferring a mulligan with guys taken in the 2nd.
 
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deca guard said:
detroit drafted james 2nd rd . he just decided to play next season in college instead of signing with wings . and now if he chooses to not sign with detroit before next august he becomes a ufa and detroit gets zilch for the 2nd rd pick it used to draft him . how is this fair to a team ? to me if a player doesnt report the team should get the same spot in next draft that it used to make the pick , the team that was supposed to pick in the spot just pix one place later

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Its a known risk drafting NCAA kids, If a team interviews well its up to them to judge that risk and draft accordingly. Its the same with European players (russians in particular).
 
Players don't get compensation if the team that drafted them doesn't want to sign them, why should it work the other way around?
 
So your team should have the privilege to skip the line on draft day because they failed to sign a bust?

In that case i want a redo of the 2023 draft, my team picked an injury prone defensemen instead of Matvei Michkov and it's not fair.
 
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Their rights should be with the team if they decide to finish college. Seems like an easy fix next CBA should address. The Fox's of the world should never be allowed to pick their team. Most are the Butcher/Vesey's but still a flawed system.
 
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