Isles Should Rebuild
- Thread starter Pavel Buchnevich
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Lou doesn't do rebuilds...that's pretty obvious. So unless Lou departs, it's not going to happen.
Lame Lambert
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We should, but Lou won't. Also, tanking for an 18% chance at a hometown player is a bad idea; we're better off hoping that he holds out on whichever team drafts him as Fox did.
Mr Kot
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If the season go awry next year, then yeah, try a rebuild. They need to have at least one year or so with Roy though to see if he can change things around.
WarriorofTime
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Best I can do is give some 3rd liners eight year extensions
Prairie Habs
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Tough to get a 100 year old GM to give up the present for the future
Also, how are the Isles going to drop 30 odd points in the standings to beat out the really bad teams sitting in the bottom 3 of the standings? Look at all of the trade protection contracts they have right now? Can't move off enough guys to be terrible bad.
Two problems. First, you'd have to fire Lamoriello, because he doesn't rebuild.
Second, eight players are on long-term contracts (3 or more years), five of which extend for more than five years. Some of those contracts are not too attractive, and some players have full NTCs for some time (after which they become partial).
The team has been constructed to make rebuilding impossible - perhaps by design - by a GM who doesn't truck with the idea.
This is a mediocre team that Lou locked up for some reason. At the time, people scratched their heads as to why he was committing to these players, and they're still doing it.
Now they should remain tough to play against and full of players who are game, but there is certainly a hard ceiling there.
Second, eight players are on long-term contracts (3 or more years), five of which extend for more than five years. Some of those contracts are not too attractive, and some players have full NTCs for some time (after which they become partial).
The team has been constructed to make rebuilding impossible - perhaps by design - by a GM who doesn't truck with the idea.
This is a mediocre team that Lou locked up for some reason. At the time, people scratched their heads as to why he was committing to these players, and they're still doing it.
Now they should remain tough to play against and full of players who are game, but there is certainly a hard ceiling there.
Kranix
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Lou doesn't even buy green bananas. He's 97 years old.
Try again. He's closer to 197. And he doesn't eat bananas. There is nothing about Lou that is bananas. He's more of a musk melon kind of guy. And go shave.
Rebuild and be the Long Island version of the Sabres…a decade plus without playoffs, meager attendance
Hunter Gathers
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They'll probably become that regardless at this point if they keep Lou around.
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Osakahaus
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My response to OP
the reality is that they will not rebuild and they instead will focus on their core players (Sorokin, Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, Romanov)
They will not go for a full blown tank, and it would be a horrible move all together. yeah yeah Hagens is there, but i'd rather them be good and fix the team that can go on a playoff push, rather than destroy everything just so you can get a kid who "maybe" could become amazing. Lamoriello isn't a god but the contracts he handed out last summer are eh. Engvall and Mayfield are both due 3M each. They aren't back breaking deals, they just have longer term. Their biggest keys are to fix up the bottom 6 and get their PK back to average. They also ran into the WORST matchup two years in a row for the playoffs, so i'd argue that it really isn't a terrible squad.
Your best bet is hoping a lot of their picks are able to pan out, while seeing some players get traded (Most of their NMC's are modified, they can be moved). My bet this offseason? Pageau and potentially Brock Nelson. I think those two are the players they try to move out. Maybe Pulock also but Pulock is a very good defensive defenseman.
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If they are going to be bad enough to be in the running for Hagens, the rebuild will take longer than 3-4 years, meaning your probably giving up on the Barzal/Dobson/Sorokin/Horvat 'era'.
And maybe that's the right thing, but lets atleast get the timeline right. Rebuilds aren't 4 years anymore, especially when your starting from the place of future assets the Islanders are.
Whether this core can contend for a cup is one thing, but with some proper re-tool moves I think they could be a consistent playoff team, better than the 'bubble' team they are now. Might take a new GM in charge tho.
And maybe that's the right thing, but lets atleast get the timeline right. Rebuilds aren't 4 years anymore, especially when your starting from the place of future assets the Islanders are.
Whether this core can contend for a cup is one thing, but with some proper re-tool moves I think they could be a consistent playoff team, better than the 'bubble' team they are now. Might take a new GM in charge tho.
Osakahaus
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Lamoriello's presser 100% sounded like he knows they need changes. The bottom 6 in particular was horrible, they missed Scott Mayfield being healthy all year, and they do need depth. Something has to give eventually.
Safe take after that paper tigers thread. Yeah no kidding, it's not a question of should they, it's a question of will they?
If that is the only problem you see to rebuilding, I don't know what to tell you. 9 plays hold trade protection, which increases by 2 more with Barzal and Sorokin come July 1. Say they all have 1/2 the league they can be moved to. Pretty much they would have the about 10-12 of the same NO trade listed teams like in Canada, SJ, Chi, CBS for now and whatever else that may be in common.
So, those 16 remaining teams only so many options/cap space available to them. Not to mention assets to give up.
Just not realistic to move enough players out to be in the bottom 3 of the NHL standings over night.
Hunter Gathers
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Well, the Islanders are just treading water. Barely making the playoffs isn't much of an accomplishment and that's about what Lou is capable of doing at this point.
I honestly don't know what you guys can even really do if you keep Lou around. It seems like he's only capable of small bandaid moves since he can't think outside of the box at all. He's trapped in a pre-lockout hockey mindset.
I mean, I'm all for it so I hope he signs a lifetime contract with the Islanders. But in all seriousness, I fail to see how, at this point in his career, he can help your team actually win.
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No NHL team coming off a .573 season is going to try, or realistically get, close to the top seed in the draft lottery.
Rebuilds are like bankruptcy, teams are forced into them by losing.
If they don’t trade Barzal, Sorokin and Dobson, who else can they trade?
Horvat and Polock have full NTCs for 3 more years and Pelech for 1. All three have lengthy deals, they aren’t being moved in the short term.
Players with 16 team No Trade Lists:
Nelson, 1 year (33 in Oct)
Palmieri, 1 year (34 next Feb)
Lee, 2 years (34 in July)
Pageau, 2 years (32 in Nov)
If they aren’t a playoff team around the 2025 TDL Lou has some decisions to make there. Even if they are, there’s still decisions with the UFAs.
benedictTavares
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It's Lou you already know whats going to happen.
Aging roster: Check
Barren Prospect Pool: Check
Lou's response: Trade prospects/Picks for aged veterans.
The only real question is what franchise will he have left worse off the Devils or the Islanders lol
Aging roster: Check
Barren Prospect Pool: Check
Lou's response: Trade prospects/Picks for aged veterans.
The only real question is what franchise will he have left worse off the Devils or the Islanders lol
Osakahaus
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Horvat trade literally fixed a gaping hole at 1C for the past half decade
Hunter Gathers
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Yet similar results. It's almost like much of what Lou does is shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic every year.
You have a very mediocre team (at best) and zero depth to your prospect pool. Lou has mismanaged the Islanders into what will be another 5+ years of water treading mediocrity in all likelihood.
If you want to keep him around, I sure hope your ownership agrees with you.
Dobson
Horvat
Barzal
That's it. Those are your ONLY bargaining chips.
Honourable mention to pelech and pulock who may garner something as well.
The issue is aside from Wahlstrom, there is NOBODY on the team under the age of 25 not named Dobson that will interest anyone else based on age, term and AAV.
A rebuild could/should happen but Lou won't do it and by the time he's dead or moved on the assets mentioned will have devalued themselves to the point that it would be a nil return.
Horvat
Barzal
That's it. Those are your ONLY bargaining chips.
Honourable mention to pelech and pulock who may garner something as well.
The issue is aside from Wahlstrom, there is NOBODY on the team under the age of 25 not named Dobson that will interest anyone else based on age, term and AAV.
A rebuild could/should happen but Lou won't do it and by the time he's dead or moved on the assets mentioned will have devalued themselves to the point that it would be a nil return.
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