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Proposal: Isles Retool/Rebuild this summer

WangMustGo said:
He’s a good third line center, and on a good playoff team that is where he slots in. Plenty of teams would be happy to add him to their bottom 6. If you are looking for a 2nd line center look elsewhere.
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I’m sure there would be a taker somewhere. As for the bolded, that’s exactly what we’re trying to do. To look elsewhere
 
Baksfamous112 said:
Sure, but that’s just not Montreal. We have Evans, Newhook, Dach and Beck who’s very close to being NHL ready as 3C / 4C options. Pageau just isn’t an option for us
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Having Pageau as that option/someone you can shift to the wing in the bottom 6 would ultimately help out Evans/Beck with his game. I’m not even counting Dach since by November he’ll be out with some long term injury. Pageau will probably be moved in the summer for futures to create roster turnover and ultimately open up the 3C spot for Ritchie to prove himself.
 
miscs75 said:
Pageau is also on the last year of his current contract so ideally it works out well for a team who wants a short term middle 6C that can win faceoffs. No real commitment needed in this case.
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Yes for next year trade deadline for a contender. The Habs are still in a rebuilding. They already have their rich older vet with terms like Gallagher and Anderson. They better keep the spot open for one of Beck, Davidson, Roy or Kapanen.

If you put Horvat or Barzal on the market that's a different story as the Habs do not have that in their system right now.
 
miscs75 said:
Having Pageau as that option/someone you can shift to the wing in the bottom 6 would ultimately help out Evans/Beck with his game. I’m not even counting Dach since by November he’ll be out with some long term injury. Pageau will probably be moved in the summer for futures to create roster turnover and ultimately open up the 3C spot for Ritchie to prove himself.
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Evans doesn't need any help with his game? Our bottom 6 is already pretty good and balanced. We don't need another option, especially not a short term option that will cost us assets.

If you want to talk Horvat, then I'll listen. Pageau? It's a an easy and firm no thank you no matter how you try to spin it.
 
JeffreyLFC said:
Yes for next year trade deadline for a contender. The Habs are still in a rebuilding. They already have their rich older vet with terms like Gallagher and Anderson.
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What term does Pageau have if his contract expires in 2026 and the team acquiring him would have him until the 2026 offseason? It’s not like we’d be dumping a guy who expires in 2030 on that team. It would be no different then you guys moving Matheson over the summer.
 
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Baksfamous112 said:
Evans doesn't need any help with his game? Our bottom 6 is already pretty good and balanced. We don't need another option, especially not a short term option that will cost us assets.

If you want to talk Horvat, then I'll listen. Pageau? It's a an easy and firm no thank you no matter how you try to spin it.
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You guys aren’t moving what the Isles would need for Horvat and it’s not middling prospects with mid round 1sts in a weak draft. Your best prospect option we’ve seen available for him is a defenseman who’s at best going to be a 4/5. If you want Horvat, it has to be something that would make the Islanders better and Mailloux/1st/some roster filler isn’t that combo.
 
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miscs75 said:
What term does Pageau have if his contract expires in 2026 and the team acquiring him would have him until the 2026 offseason? It’s not like we’d be dumping a guy who expires in 2030 on that team. It would be no different then you guys moving Matheson over the summer.
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He has one year term. The Habs do not need him now.
The Habs are not looking for vets yet. They are still purging the vets with Armia, Dvorak potentially leaving this summer.
They have these spots open for their young players.

If the Habs are in playoff contention next year and none of our youngster has been able to shown the level to become a good 3rd/4th line center then we could re-visit this at next year trade deadline. This summer it would just take away a spot for a young player.

If they want to keep a vet around they will just re-sign Dvorak. Which could still happen, and he his younger than Pageau and could stay for more seasons if needed at a lower cap hit.
 
JeffreyLFC said:
He has one year term. The Habs do not need him now.
The Habs are not looking for vets yet. They are still purging the vets with Armia, Dvorak potentially leaving this summer.
They have these spots open for their young players.

If the Habs are in playoff contention next year and none of our youngster has been able to shown the level to become a good 3rd/4th line center then we could re-visit this at next year trade deadline. This summer it would just take away a spot for a young player.

If they want to keep a vet around they will just re-sign Dvorak. Which could still happen, and he his younger than Pageau and could stay for more seasons if needed at a lower cap hit.
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That’s perfectly fine but his term is ultimately what teams would want as a short term depth solution with veteran experience to help out younger players. Personally I feel like Pageau will be moved due to his term alone. It might be Montreal or it might not be but he’s much better than the center options that are UFAs this summer.
 
miscs75 said:
You guys aren’t moving what the Isles would need for Horvat and it’s not middling prospects with mid round 1sts in a weak draft. Your best prospect option we’ve seen available for him is a defenseman who’s at best gong to be a 4/5. If you want Horvat, it has to be something that would make the Islanders better and Mailloux/1st/some roster filler isn’t that combo.
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Every pick and prospect is on the table except for Demidov, Reinbacher and Fowler (which you wouldn't be interested in anyway) so I'm not exactly sure what you expect in terms of prospects but if you think a team will give you a Grade A / top 30 prospect in the league for a 30 years old Center you are out of touch with reality.
 
Baksfamous112 said:
Every pick and prospect is on the table except for Demidov, Reinbacher and Fowler (which you wouldn't be interested in anyway) so I'm not exactly sure what you expect in terms of prospects but if you think a team will give you a Grade A / top 30 prospect in the league for a 30 years old Center you are out of touch with reality.
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I’m not expecting them to move Horvat or Barzal but if either is moved, I’m expecting a better deal then 1st/Mailloux/Anderson, not a prospect on the level as Demidov+.
 
miscs75 said:
I’m not expecting them to move Horvat or Barzal but if either is moved, I’m expecting a better deal then 1st/Mailloux/Anderson, not a prospect on the level as Demidov+.
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Name names? What would make you happy?

For the record, Anderson has been invaluable for Montreal this year and given that they have nearly 30 million in cap space next year ,I genuinely doubt that there would be any interest in moving out for cap reasons

EDIT: I don't think anyone on the Habs roster right now that has a contract next year would be moved for "cap" reasons anyway. Not Anderson, Gallagher, Matheson or whoever else that is on the bottom 6 and has a contract for next year.
 
Baksfamous112 said:
Name names? What would make you happy?

For the record, Anderson has been invaluable for Montreal this year and given that they have nearly 30 million in cap space next year ,I genuinely doubt that there would be any interest in moving out for cap reasons

EDIT: I don't think anyone on the Habs roster right now that has a contract next year would be moved for "cap" reasons anyway. Not Anderson, Gallagher, Matheson or whoever else that is on the bottom 6 and has a contract for next year.
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1st/Hage/Newhook then we talk.
 
miscs75 said:
Not doing this again. Montreal won’t offer up the Isles needs for Barzal and no it’s not a bunch of B tier prospects, cap dumps and late 1sts in a bad draft year.
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They would be closer to mid firsts than late firsts. #16 & #17. If NYI wants to rebuild them MTL would make great trading partners for barzal.
 
HabzSauce said:
They would be closer to mid firsts than late firsts. #16 & #17. If NYI wants to rebuild them MTL would make great trading partners for barzal.
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The only prospect of interest you guys have even included in trades is Hage. Not interested in moving the highest skilled forwards off the roster (without moving out the players who should be moved) for magic beans in a weak draft year. That really doesn’t help the Isles out.
 
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JeffreyLFC said:
That's more tempting. How about two 1st + Newhook?

I disagree. Maybe not Newhook and Hage. But I could see a trade with Newhook + 1st as a basis with a prospect or a 2nd round pick.
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Isles pass. Teams would beat that with either a better prospect or roster player.
 
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JeffreyLFC said:
That's more tempting. How about two 1st + Newhook?

I disagree. Maybe not Newhook and Hage. But I could see a trade with Newhook + 1st as a basis with a prospect or a 2nd round pick.
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The combination of all 3 assets is just too much for Horvat. Maybe if the guy was 27 I’d think harder on it but Horvat has another 2-3 max before he start declining (if not sooner).
 
NYI need to fire Lou and go full rebuild for a chance at McKenna and Dupont Isles have nothing in the pipeline and are a mediocre team at best

That beind said you guys have some nice pieces like Horvat,Barzal,Dobson etc you could move for top prospects and picks
 
Can't see the Jets interested in that deal. Salo just won the best D award and top rookie on the Moose. He's ready and if he doesn't play next year he plays the year after. And the big thing is he'll be on his ELC and around for a long time.
 
miscs75 said:
Not doing this again. Montreal won’t offer up the Isles needs for Barzal and no it’s not a bunch of B tier prospects, cap dumps and late 1sts in a bad draft year.
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The Habs don't have a late 1st this year. We have Calgarys in the 13-16 range and ours which will either be 16 or 28+ if we somehow go on a miracle run.

If Barzal isn't being moved for futures that's fine but let's keep the info correct.
 
Captain97 said:
The Habs don't have a late 1st this year. We have Calgarys in the 13-16 range and ours which will either be 16 or 28+ if we somehow go on a miracle run.

If Barzal isn't being moved for futures that's fine but let's keep the info correct.
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It’s still the 1st in a bad draft year, whether is yours/another teams. It really doesn’t move the needle as much as people think. In a vacuum it’s a first but the quality of prospects available in that 13+ range really isn’t anything special to be a main piece in a trade for Barzal/Horvat.
 
miscs75 said:
The only prospect of interest you guys have even included in trades is Hage. Not interested in moving the highest skilled forwards off the roster (without moving out the players who should be moved) for magic beans in a weak draft year. That really doesn’t help the Isles out.
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If Isles decide to rebuild then how do those 1sts not help? They're futures. It's either picks and/or prospects

Also I would dangle Hage - he's not untouchable for me
 
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