Prospect Info: Isles Prospect Talk 2019-20 | Part II

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Riseonfire

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Whalstrom should dominate this tournament, he's older, been playing pro. A lackluster showing isn't the best look.

Doesn't mean he'll have to light up the lamp though. He'll get his but I'm looking for him to be pinning guys on walls, backchecking hard and playing a pro game vs the 'f*** all, go fast' fest that these games can be sometimes.
 
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Whalstrom should dominate this tournament, he's older, been playing pro. A lackluster showing isn't the best look.


Yup. Exactly this. Not all about scoring, but basically he should be the most noticeable player on the ice for the US.
 

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Wahlstrom looked to be playing a very "pro" game. He was not trying to take too many chances. I would like to see him open it up a bit today against Germany. Also, despite what Caufield may do today, he needs to pick it up against the real competition.
 

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Wahlstrom looked to be playing a very "pro" game. He was not trying to take too many chances. I would like to see him open it up a bit today against Germany. Also, despite what Caufield may do today, he needs to pick it up against the real competition.
Sounds like Trotz's lessons have stuck with Whalstrom. Took them to Bridgeport and now to the Worlds.
 
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Wahlstrom had a few decent chances, had an assist, but he still seemed to be lacking confidence for some reason. Outplayed by some younger guys. Got plenty of ice time, especially on the power play, they have him on the point, then they have him sneaking down to the left circle, but he's not really in the scoring areas closer to the net, where the true scoring chances are (2 or 3 pp goals scored close in by USA).

One thing I noticed is, he's by the left circle on the power play with his stick cocked, ALWAYS. The defense notices that, and I think he got the pass ONCE (save obviously). You have to be a little more sneaky about that if you're gonna be a sniper. Can't be so obvious about it.

He definitely has more talent than other alleged snipers we've drafted recently, he's definitely a good skater who skates with powerful strides (better skater than Dal Colle or Bellows), and his stick handling is definitely better than Dal Colle and Bellows (whom I haven't given up on). And he plays with an edge, he'll smash you into the boards. So I like the complete package, worried a little about the confidence.

Also still upset about the 2019 draft (1st round pick). Seeing Connor McMichael dominating like he did yesterday for Canada, seeing Kaliyev looking good for USA, it's just frustrating that our scouting staff pulled a Snow in the 1st round (he always seemed to try to prove he was smarter than everyone by making weird choices). There is no way they should've taken Holmstrom over McMichael, Tomassino or Kaliyev. So many guys drafted after him, even early 2nd round, that would've been better choices. McMichael would've been the ultimate choice there, easily slides into the 2nd line center position for the Isles next year (if they had chosen him). A 2nd line center with a ton of offensive talent, exactly what they needed, and they decide to strike out on a high fastball.
 

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Wahlstrom had a few decent chances, had an assist, but he still seemed to be lacking confidence for some reason. Outplayed by some younger guys. Got plenty of ice time, especially on the power play, they have him on the point, then they have him sneaking down to the left circle, but he's not really in the scoring areas closer to the net, where the true scoring chances are (2 or 3 pp goals scored close in by USA).

One thing I noticed is, he's by the left circle on the power play with his stick cocked, ALWAYS. The defense notices that, and I think he got the pass ONCE (save obviously). You have to be a little more sneaky about that if you're gonna be a sniper. Can't be so obvious about it.

He definitely has more talent than other alleged snipers we've drafted recently, he's definitely a good skater who skates with powerful strides (better skater than Dal Colle or Bellows), and his stick handling is definitely better than Dal Colle and Bellows (whom I haven't given up on). And he plays with an edge, he'll smash you into the boards. So I like the complete package, worried a little about the confidence.

Also still upset about the 2019 draft (1st round pick). Seeing Connor McMichael dominating like he did yesterday for Canada, seeing Kaliyev looking good for USA, it's just frustrating that our scouting staff pulled a Snow in the 1st round (he always seemed to try to prove he was smarter than everyone by making weird choices). There is no way they should've taken Holmstrom over McMichael, Tomassino or Kaliyev. So many guys drafted after him, even early 2nd round, that would've been better choices. McMichael would've been the ultimate choice there, easily slides into the 2nd line center position for the Isles next year (if they had chosen him). A 2nd line center with a ton of offensive talent, exactly what they needed, and they decide to strike out on a high fastball.

Watching McMichael I have a difficult time believing he is slotting in ahead of Nelson next year on the second line.
 

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Wahlstrom had a few decent chances, had an assist, but he still seemed to be lacking confidence for some reason. Outplayed by some younger guys. Got plenty of ice time, especially on the power play, they have him on the point, then they have him sneaking down to the left circle, but he's not really in the scoring areas closer to the net, where the true scoring chances are (2 or 3 pp goals scored close in by USA).

One thing I noticed is, he's by the left circle on the power play with his stick cocked, ALWAYS. The defense notices that, and I think he got the pass ONCE (save obviously). You have to be a little more sneaky about that if you're gonna be a sniper. Can't be so obvious about it.

He definitely has more talent than other alleged snipers we've drafted recently, he's definitely a good skater who skates with powerful strides (better skater than Dal Colle or Bellows), and his stick handling is definitely better than Dal Colle and Bellows (whom I haven't given up on). And he plays with an edge, he'll smash you into the boards. So I like the complete package, worried a little about the confidence.

Also still upset about the 2019 draft (1st round pick). Seeing Connor McMichael dominating like he did yesterday for Canada, seeing Kaliyev looking good for USA, it's just frustrating that our scouting staff pulled a Snow in the 1st round (he always seemed to try to prove he was smarter than everyone by making weird choices). There is no way they should've taken Holmstrom over McMichael, Tomassino or Kaliyev. So many guys drafted after him, even early 2nd round, that would've been better choices. McMichael would've been the ultimate choice there, easily slides into the 2nd line center position for the Isles next year (if they had chosen him). A 2nd line center with a ton of offensive talent, exactly what they needed, and they decide to strike out on a high fastball.

If anything, Snow's issue was simply going with the consensus pick early in the 1st. None of Dal Colle, Reinhart, Strome were "weird" picks.
 

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If anything, Snow's issue was simply going with the consensus pick early in the 1st. None of Dal Colle, Reinhart, Strome were "weird" picks.
Dal Colle was definitely the consensus #5 overall, I had no problem with that, in fact, I was thrilled. MDC's issues are the same as Reinhart (who wasn't the consensus #4 overall), no passion, no drive, no determination, they got by in juniors with talent, but never were good players in the NHL because of the lack of drive, determination & passion.

Strome was not the consensus #5 prospect, Doug Hamilton & Sean Couturier were both rated higher than Strome. Strome was rated anywhere from 7-10. But I wasn't against any of the picks except Reinhart.

On a side note at the WJC, Shane Pinto for team USA is doing exactly what I hoped Wahlstrom would do, and he's a year younger. Pinto has 3 goals, 3 assists in the first 2 games, I believe he was named USA player of the game in both games. Wahlstrom has 1 assist total in the 2 games, very disappointing.

I stand corrected, Wahlstrom with a late goal and late assist. 1-2-3 through 2 games, not horrible. Pinto adds an assist on the Wahlstrom goal, 3-4-7 through 2 games. Wahlstrom just took his 2nd penalty of the game with 6 minutes left.
 

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Dal Colle was definitely the consensus #5 overall, I had no problem with that, in fact, I was thrilled. MDC's issues are the same as Reinhart (who wasn't the consensus #4 overall), no passion, no drive, no determination, they got by in juniors with talent, but never were good players in the NHL because of the lack of drive, determination & passion.

Strome was not the consensus #5 prospect, Doug Hamilton & Sean Couturier were both rated higher than Strome. Strome was rated anywhere from 7-10. But I wasn't against any of the picks except Reinhart.

On a side note at the WJC, Shane Pinto for team USA is doing exactly what I hoped Wahlstrom would do, and he's a year younger. Pinto has 3 goals, 3 assists in the first 2 games, I believe he was named USA player of the game in both games. Wahlstrom has 1 assist total in the 2 games, very disappointing.

I stand corrected, Wahlstrom with a late goal and late assist. 1-2-3 through 2 games, not horrible. Pinto adds an assist on the Wahlstrom goal, 3-4-7 through 2 games. Wahlstrom just took his 2nd penalty of the game with 6 minutes left.

Well I guess the term "consensus" is contentious. None of those guys were reaches or surprise picks. Bob Mckenzie had Reinhart ranked 4th (Bob McKenzie’s 2012 NHL Draft Rankings).

My point was they weren't "weird" or "reaches" or off the board. I think things are little different now that the NHL is all about speed/skill but 8-10 years ago people were still clamoring for "big stalwart" defensemen or sizable forwards. That's what I meant by consensus, they were "less risky" in that sense. Picks like Ehlers or Nylander were perhaps a little bit more new-age, progressive. I think reaching for one of those skill/speed guys would have been the better move at that time.

In this case, most of us had never even heard of Holmstrom. Of course, there is still plenty of time for him to become a player but I'd certainly feel better if we had a guy like Tomasino, Mcmichael or Kaliyev in our pool.
 

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But is he the MOST impressive guy on the ice?

no. That would be Trevor Zegras. Wally playing a very Trotz esque game. He had 1 bad penalty and a turnover but other Than that he was ok. He needs a center that can create space for him and get him the puck. When he has room he does well. But he battled along the boards and played physical. Still would like to see a little more though but I’m not disappointed. I think when you play pro the expectations get really high. The USA coach hasn’t made any sense with his line up choices. Cole Caufield looks like a ghost. Not really his fault though.
 

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I don’t really understand the USA lines. Zegras and Turcotte stuck down the lineup. Zegras had a great game today in only 7 minutes with no power play time. Turcotte and Caufield are great at Wisco but for some reason they’re split. Doesn’t make sense.
 

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The problem with MDC and Reinhart is ONLY because the game changed...That's why they bombed. If this was the 80's/90's, these guys would have been pretty good players. Reinhart is too slow and perfect for the clutch and grab era...smart player...just slow. MDC is slow and can't outthink his opponents. He's got no skills that makes him excel.
 
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Just remember MDC had 18 goals and 34 points in 34 games down in Bridgeport before getting the call up. Don't get too excited about bellows. I'm glad he's gaining confidence and scoring goals but he would probably play the same role on a call up as MDC and most likely produce the same. Hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone from the bridge come up to the isles and produce.
 
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