Isles Prospect Adam Beckman Suspended 10 AHL Games for shoving Referee into the Boards

[Kegs]

Imagine if the linesmen skated over and jumped Beckman like players do when an opponent puts a big hit on their star player. Lol

I wish this happened.

 

[Kegs]

So then they shouldn't be suspending a guy for shoving a ref in a spot on the ice where he would be completely within his rights top shove an opponent. The ref shouldn't have been there, Beckman had no reason to expect a ref to be right in his way. He's focused on the puck.

I dunno. If he pushed a player with out the puck like that it would be an interference penalty for sure.

 

[CupofOil]

Shameless dive.

But seriously, that could have been a lot worse, good thing it wasn't.

 

[OG Eberle]

If you have played hockey and can get past the headline, into the context that (like several have noted) the ref was extremely out of position, I can see how this play unfolded. No malicious intent imo.

But, gotta protect refs. Actions, consequences, all that jazz.

Seems reasonable all around assuming the ref is maybe questioned and has his positioning skills reviewed too.

 

[Mike C]

He clearly thought the ref was an opposing defenseman but I hope Florida gets him, he'd fit right in.

If he gets to NYI, he'll start to think his opponents are his teammates and turn the puck over like the rest of the Isles do on a chronic basis

 

[JIMVINNY]

I dunno. If he pushed a player with out the puck like that it would be an interference penalty for sure.

I think the difference is that an opposing player would be expecting contact, and be far more prepared for it. That type of shove happens every 5 seconds when there's a puck battle in the corners. It's a nothing play.

 

[BagHead]

Imagine if the linesmen skated over and jumped Beckman like players do when an opponent puts a big hit on their star player. Lol

Sounds like something that would happen in the video game Tape to Tape.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He obviously thought it was an opponent and not the ref since he was in his periphery and no one would expect a professional referee to be that out of position and in the way.

If he has no situational awareness and couldnt figure out that was a referee, then maybe hockey isnt for him…

 

[57special]

For those who don't know Beckman, he is a very nice guy, and, unfortunately for his career, plays with low levels of physicality. He got in a fight in training camp against a non fighter to try to impress Guerin, and got his ass completely kicked.

Tall'ish, thin, good shot.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

I don't know if he just spaced out or what but based on his reaction I don't think he was trying to hurt the ref deliberately.

But that shove was pretty blatant so it's hard to argue.

 

[tarheelhockey]

So then they shouldn't be suspending a guy for shoving a ref in a spot on the ice where he would be completely within his rights top shove an opponent. The ref shouldn't have been there, Beckman had no reason to expect a ref to be right in his way. He's focused on the puck.

They’ll probably talk to Beckman about his positioning — not that they really need to point it out after this happened as a result. I doubt anyone believes Beckman targeted the ref.

But much like the Wideman incident where he was probably concussed and lost in space, the league can’t give the benefit of the doubt when it comes to laying a full-blown check on a ref. That’s a door they just can’t open.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

*Isles' farmhand/minor leaguer

This dude is as much a prospective NHL'er as much as I am.

For those who don't know Beckman, he is a very nice guy, and, unfortunately for his career, plays with low levels of physicality. He got in a fight in training camp against a non fighter to try to impress Guerin, and got his ass completely kicked.

Tall'ish, thin, good shot.

Wat...?More than half the players in the league today are soft as baby ish. This guy is just a scrub.

 

[JIMVINNY]

They’ll probably talk to Beckman about his positioning — not that they really need to point it out after this happened as a result. I doubt anyone believes Beckman targeted the ref.

But much like the Wideman incident where he was probably concussed and lost in space, the league can’t give the benefit of the doubt when it comes to laying a full-blown check on a ref. That’s a door they just can’t open.

I understand where you're coming from, but punishing a player for abuse of official should absolutely require the league to determine Beckman's intent, at least as best as they can. The Wideman incident is completely different in that Wideman had plenty of time to see stripes, he had a reason to be upset, and his reaction after the hit seemed to suggest there was nothing accidental about it.

 

[Rebels57]

Ref shouldn't have been in that spot. This is not suspension worthy. He clearly thought it was an opposition player impeding his forecheck.

 

[MrLunatik]

So then they shouldn't be suspending a guy for shoving a ref in a spot on the ice where he would be completely within his rights top shove an opponent. The ref shouldn't have been there, Beckman had no reason to expect a ref to be right in his way. He's focused on the puck.

You are still responsible for your actions.

I agree it was likely accidental in teh sense he thought it was an opponent, but you are supposed to be aware of what you are doing and in control.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If you have played hockey and can get past the headline, into the context that (like several have noted) the ref was extremely out of position, I can see how this play unfolded. No malicious intent imo.

But, gotta protect refs. Actions, consequences, all that jazz.

Seems reasonable all around assuming the ref is maybe questioned and has his positioning skills reviewed too.

He really wasnt “that out position” the players are both coming down on him, each going a different side. There was no “safe spot” to go to. The player is the moron who couldnt avoid him while clearly seeing him. Referees are in that spot 500x a game, hence while he received a 10 game suspension. I’m sure he’ll some better on ice awareness when he returns next season.

 

[BagHead]

I understand where you're coming from, but punishing a player for abuse of official should absolutely require the league to determine Beckman's intent, at least as best as they can. The Wideman incident is completely different in that Wideman had plenty of time to see stripes, he had a reason to be upset, and his reaction after the hit seemed to suggest there was nothing accidental about it.

I can certainly understand where you're coming from, especially since I've watched Beckman a good amount and he's not a dirty guy, but how do you expect leagues to figure out what a player was thinking? I'm not aware of any reliable way to do that. If there's no reliable way to make something happen, you can't base your processes off it.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

If he has no situational awareness and couldnt figure out that was a referee, then maybe hockey isnt for him…

Or maybe it was in his periphery and he was reacting at game speed?

Could say that if the ref is that incompetent and that in the way, maybe hockey isn't for him.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Or maybe it was in his periphery and he was reacting at game speed?

Could say that if the ref is that incompetent and that in the way, maybe hockey isn't for him.

Yea the next time the ref should just fly out of the way. Shame on him.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Yea the next time the ref should just fly out of the way. Shame on him.

Yes, because there was no proactive decision he could have made to not put himself directly in the middle of the play

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yes, because there was no proactive decision he could have made to not put himself directly in the middle of the play

I wonder if you’ve ever played hockey, going to assume not.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I wonder if you’ve ever played hockey, going to assume not.

That's the response of someone without an argument, let's try again. I've already said it's a fair suspension since the league shouldn't be in the business of trying to discern player intent.

The ref also holds responsibility for his shitty positioning.

 

[MrPickles]

Hope he's ok, but that ref was not where he should have been.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

This is an automatic suspension type of deal. The guy really does not seem like the type of player to make it a habit.

 

[ello]

Like I know refs don’t train for it but you gotta brace for contact a little bit better than that and be aware of what’s going on. If he doesn’t go down that hard this is probably a non issue