Proposal: Islanders/Sharks/Blackhawks

[BillR10]

I do like the idea of the Isles, Sharks, and Hawks working together to reshuffle the draft order so that all teams get what they want. But only one thing is clear and that is that the Sharks really want Schaefer.

I'm a Hawks fan and the perceived drop-off between Misa and other forwards like Desnoyers and Frondell is shrinking any deal between the 3 teams would be dependent on the Hawks wanting one of those guys significantly over the other 2 and an inkling that the Sharks would take him if Schaefer is gone. We also don't know how bad the Isles want Hagens and if they would ever sacrifice a chance at Schaefer to take him.

Why is it clear the sharks "really want Schaefer"? Their LHD depth/Prospects are Dickinson, Muk, Cagnoni, Thrun, Wallenius, Mario. If Schaefer was a RHD id agee but hes not. They might prefer Misa/Hagens/Martone. MG loves big forwards but he also loves the Boston connection so you can count Hagens out as an option. Personally, if both Misa and Schaefer are available at 2 because the Isles took Hagens at 1, I hope the sharks would take Misa over Schaefer. He's the safer pick that would help the Sharks long term

 

[boredmale]

1. Yeah but he practically gets to choose where he goes and he has no reason to choose the Sharks over literally anywhere else.

as I stated a few times already the idea this trade would go down would mean he signs long term with SJ, i probably should have made that clear rather then assuming everybody would just understand that fact. But yes a Dobson who basically will not sign a long term deal value is way less than one that signs a 7-8 year deal, even if that deal is at top dollar.

I would assume a top pairing RHD who is 25 would have some sort of value for any team

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Brutal. Thinking Dobson has that value after the garbage season he had

 

[Pinkfloyd]

as I stated a few times already the idea this trade would go down would mean he signs long term with SJ, i probably should have made that clear rather then assuming everybody would just understand that fact. But yes a Dobson who basically will not sign a long term deal value is way less than one that signs a 7-8 year deal, even if that deal is at top dollar.

I would assume a top pairing RHD who is 25 would have some sort of value for any team

Yes but that assumption doesn't make any sense in this situation. San Jose would just about be the worst place for him to pick to play when he has the leverage to do so. There's nothing that the Sharks offer that another team can't and be a better situation for Dobson.

 

[Patty Ice]

I would assume a top pairing RHD who is 25 would have some sort of value for any team

He has value but not to the tune of the 2nd overall (plus fillers with him). If you are looking to restock your prospect pool, what I would offer is a deal around Musty, DAL 1st, and SJ 2nd. Depending on how things are looking post draft and first week of July frenzy, maybe something with Eklund and Dobson could be of interest.

 

[boredmale]

He has value but not to the tune of the 2nd overall (plus fillers with him). If you are looking to restock your prospect pool, what I would offer is a deal around Musty, DAL 1st, and SJ 2nd. Depending on how things are looking post draft and first week of July frenzy, maybe something with Eklund and Dobson could be of interest.

More a case I am looking at Islanders cap situation coupled with I am not sure Dobson wants to resign with us. If we can draft Schaefer then while using Dobson to help improve our forwards, that is one solution at least in terms of cap. I am not opposed to having both Schaefer and Dobson assuming he is willing to resign here but then our group of forwards will be very weak

 

[Brodeur]

show me a time when a Defenseman who reached 70 points once got traded for the 2nd overall pick.

FWIW, Boston was rumored to have offered Dougie Hamilton to the Coyotes for the 3rd overall pick in 2015 (with the intention of taking Noah Hanifin) but Arizona decided they needed a center with size to deal with the Kopitar/Getzlaf in the division. I believe Arizona countered with its 2016 1st which Boston declined.

He wasn't an NHL player yet, but Carolina offered Jack Johnson to Pittsburgh for #2 in 2006. Ray Shero gave it serious thought but decided to keep the pick.

Bryan McCabe and a future 1st netted the 4th pick in 1999. To that point McCabe hadn't cracked 30 points but had showed potential. Top of that draft was mixed, teams seemingly either loved/hated Pavel Brendl. Chicago dealt the pick because they didn't want to gamble that Brendl would be the default guy left out of the top 4.

If I were Mike Grier, I'd keep the pick and look for a different avenue to get an established RHD.

 

[seabass45]

I seen it a couple times mentioned on the Islanders message board.

Haven't heard anything about this.

 

[boredmale]

Haven't heard anything about this.

In the take it for what it's worth I seen it mentioned a few times Dobson at a bar told people he wants to go west

 

[seabass45]

In the take it for what it's worth I seen it mentioned a few times Dobson at a bar told people he wants to go west

Come on. Geez.

 

[isles55]

I mean if he's so great, why not just keep him and draft Hagens at 1?

Seems like the existence of this thread is a tacit admission that Dobson isn't a legit #1D.

Some Islanders fans want to move Dobson(along with Sorokin and Barzal) not because they are bad, but because they are the primary players preventing the Islanders from finishing bottom-5 next season.

If the Islanders decide to rebuild around Schaefer, 2026+27 1st round draft picks, then by the time the Islanders are ready to compete those players may be out of their prime.

Dobson is a little younger, so he should still be in his prime. But many people aren’t sure about committing $9mil+ to Dobson when Schaefer is expected to be the #1 defensemen.

A need for a defenseman doesn't then mean they will pay any price to get one. There's no way Dobson pulls any top ten pick in this draft, imo. Probably not top 15 either. The rest of what would be going San Jose's way doesn't make up for that.

islanders traded Hamonic for the 12th in 2018+ a 2nd, Reinhart for the 15th overall in 2015, and they moved their 13th in 2022 for Romanov.

Dobson is in a different league than all of these players. And this is considered a weak draft.

 

[WangMustGo]

In the take it for what it's worth I seen it mentioned a few times Dobson at a bar told people he wants to go west

And I was at a bar and heard Mcdavid say he wants to play for the islanders and only wants league minimum pay. This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

hard no from the Sharks.

My god I've seen some terrible proposals for 2OA, but this one takes the cake.

2OA for:
a mid-tier Defender who is not under contract
Just say Colorado's 1st, which will likely be mid 20's. Islanders are gonna be a bubble team at best.
and some nobody.

Like, what were you thinking?

Calling Dobson a "mid-tier" defender is a MASSIVE undersell. He'd be the #1 d-man on a bunch of teams in the league IMO, and is just entering his prime.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Brutal. Thinking Dobson has that value after the garbage season he had

While you have a point, analytics nerds still gush about him.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

islanders traded Hamonic for the 12th in 2018+ a 2nd, Reinhart for the 15th overall in 2015, and they moved their 13th in 2022 for Romanov.

Dobson is in a different league than all of these players. And this is considered a weak draft.

In Hamonic's case, he was traded to a playoff team for their 1st next season. Both the other trades were a team's extra 1st round pick. I'm not opposed to the idea that it can happen but there has to be a need behind it and an expendable draft pick in that range. Where is that coming from in that group of teams? After the Sharks, you have the Hawks, Utah, Nashville, Philly, Boston, Seattle, Buffalo, Anaheim, Pittsburgh, the Rangers, Detroit, Columbus, and Vancouver. Even the group behind that with Montreal holding two picks, Calgary, St. Louis, and Columbus, they likely wouldn't do it for Dobson. They may have an expendable asset but probably will use it in other ways. I just don't see where the Islanders are going to go to try and drive up the price to such an extent that makes the Sharks put their top pick on the table.