Speculation: Islanders fire sale

[Benstheman]

As a Habs fan, I would be interested in Horvat.

I would be offering Dach, Mailloux and Calgary's 1st (between 17-20 I guess).

 

[majormajor]

Pelech’s value is difficult for me to determine after so many injuries. I think we’d probably be looking for a younger Pageau replacement if we deal him.

maybe something around del bel belluz then? he's 21 years old, has been a point-per-game guy in the AHL this year and was really impressive in his call-up (8p in 15gp).


could be something around pulock for chinakhov then. hasn't been healthy this year but when he was he looked like a legit top six difference maker on the wing.

Isles would definitely have interest in Del Bel Belluz. Less so in Chinakhov, but probably some interest there as well.

My outsider sense of Pelech is as a guy who is a step back from the elite shutdown play he showed a few years ago, but is still a pretty good middle pair shutdown guy. Do I have that right? Did he lose a step from a particular injury?

Regarding Jackets pieces, both LDBB and Chinakhov have a lot of variance in their projection that makes them awkward trade pieces - they both could conceivably be worth a lot more than Pelech or a lot less depending on how things go for them. If Chinakhov is healthy he would be worth significantly more.

Cole Sillinger is a guy the Jackets are very enamored with, so it's unlikely that he's traded. But he's a guy whose value is firmly in the 3C type category. Whether he's ever Pageau level, I don't know, but he's 21. Just not skilled enough to be a top six center. So it would make more sense (to me) that he would be the one traded for Pelech.

 

[miscs75]

My outsider sense of Pelech is as a guy who is a step back from the elite shutdown play he showed a few years ago, but is still a pretty good middle pair shutdown guy. Do I have that right? Did he lose a step from a particular injury?

Regarding Jackets pieces, both LDBB and Chinakhov have a lot of variance in their projection that makes them awkward trade pieces - they both could conceivably be worth a lot more than Pelech or a lot less depending on how things go for them. If Chinakhov is healthy he would be worth significantly more.

Cole Sillinger is a guy the Jackets are very enamored with, so it's unlikely that he's traded. But he's a guy whose value is firmly in the 3C type category. Whether he's ever Pageau level, I don't know, but he's 21. Just not skilled enough to be a top six center. So it would make more sense (to me) that he would be the one traded for Pelech.

Sillinger for Pelech as a base would make sense for the Isles, especially if they want to start moving out the veterans. Ideally Sillinger would fit into the 3C role that’s currently Pageau’s spot. When he’s healthy, Pelly’s still a solid LHD who can easily play in that middle pairing. If I remember correctly, a few of his injuries have happened due to blocking shots which means they need to find a way to beef up his padding so it doesn’t happen again.

 

[impaaaaaact]

My outsider sense of Pelech is as a guy who is a step back from the elite shutdown play he showed a few years ago, but is still a pretty good middle pair shutdown guy. Do I have that right? Did he lose a step from a particular injury?

Regarding Jackets pieces, both LDBB and Chinakhov have a lot of variance in their projection that makes them awkward trade pieces - they both could conceivably be worth a lot more than Pelech or a lot less depending on how things go for them. If Chinakhov is healthy he would be worth significantly more.

Cole Sillinger is a guy the Jackets are very enamored with, so it's unlikely that he's traded. But he's a guy whose value is firmly in the 3C type category. Whether he's ever Pageau level, I don't know, but he's 21. Just not skilled enough to be a top six center. So it would make more sense (to me) that he would be the one traded for Pelech.

Pelech thrived in Trotz’s system. He’s been a bit less effective + often injured over the last 3 seasons, but he’s definitely still a top 4 shutdown guy when healthy… he’s also shown a bit more offensive IQ this year under Roy.

For me, Pelech for Sillinger is an easy yes. One of Pelech/Pulock is likely to go this offseason in addition to Pageau - having Sillinger come in as a younger replacement makes too much sense to me.

As a Habs fan, I would be interested in Horvat.

I would be offering Dach, Mailloux and Calgary's 1st (between 17-20 I guess).

I think we could get a little bit of a better offer for him. I’m not a big Dach guy

 

[Vitto79]

They should try and move Pageau with so little Cs available

 

[Baksfamous112]

I've mentioned this before, but we can't fully tank. Sorokin is too good (when he's good) and steals too many games. Without the insane run he had before the break we would legitimately be in last in the east right now. So you're sort of forced to try and win during the duration of his contract

By the end of next season the contracts will be up for Nelson, Palmieri, Pageau and Lee will all be up. Hopefully Lou isn't braindead enough to let them walk without returning assets for them, because that should really be a lot. Once they're gone, basically half of our top 9 so the retooling is sort of built in right now - that is, if Lou doesn't bring everyone back.

The remaining 5 there are Barzal, Horvat, Tsyplakov, Holmstrom, and Duclair. At least two of those spots will be replaced internally by Cole Eiserman and Danny Nelson. We will have a top ten pick this year, and that will likely go towards another forward - If we don't trade up for Hagens (LI Native), you're hoping for Desnoyers/McQueen/Frondell, and potentially one of them is up by the start of 26-27 as well.

I think the most likely outcome is that Pelech or Pulock is dealt this offseason for another top 6 player - however, I (and most fans...and our GM) agree that they really need another difference maker up front. We have been historically unable to lure big name FA - This is why you hear whispers of Dobson being dangled for star players. I think it would be the wrong way to go about it, but as it stands that's our clearest route to pick up an impact forward ATM.

If Montreal were able to tank with Carey Price then NYI sure can find a way with Sorokin. NYI biggest strength is their depth through the line-up. Kill that and you have a good chance to tank - temporarily. I would personally deal all the bolded and keep the other for the retool.

UFAs would be the first ones to go and I would ask for the highest draft picks I could get for them. Nelson you could easily get a 1st + for him. Palmieri - Probably a 2nd round pick. You try to find a taker for Pageau at the deadline (50% retained) for a 1st and if no taker, wait until the draft or next TDL to move him. Get whatever you can for Lee.

I would try to find a buyer for Barzal at the draft. I would aim to get a young established C with the potential to grow and a first-round pick for him. For example, Cozens + 1st (If Buffalo can get another one at the draft) or if not, get an early 2nd round pick and a decent prospect at D, someone who can be a depth D in a couple of years. Another example would be to get Dach, a mid first round pick and another prospect from Montreal. You see the kind of value I'm looking at?

I would try to get a similar value for Horvat but this time I would try to get a high skilled forward or a good young D with top 4 potential (ideally RHD) on top of a first round pick and depth prospect. A good example would be Jack Quinn, Strbak and a high 2nd or mid-to-late first round pick. Another example would be to get Pefferti (or Yager), a first round pick and Salomonsson from Winnipeg. You know, that kind of package.

Pelech and Pulock would be draft day trades. I would target a first round pick, a young, decent NHL D that hasn't broken out yet and a mid (depth) prospect that has a chance to make it to the NHL. I don't have any examples in mind but plenty of teams are looking to shore up their top 4 and would be willing to pay that price.

You draft top 10 in June and suddenly you have a much younger line-up with skills and tons of draft capital. You tank for 2026 and hope to god you're lucky enough to hit the McKenna jackpot. If not, your consolidation price is still a high end forward. Surely some or several first round picks in the next two draft develop into high-end forwards in the NHL and your core pieces on the back-end and your high end #1 goalie are all still in their prime and ready to compete.

 

[LuckyDay]

It would work for the Canucks to get Horvat back because Quinn has the C now. Brock can focus back on his game and not take on literally everything else as well the way Luongo did.
Plus, the Canucks can pay him now. But that debacle is probably why he wouldn't want to come back.

 

[impaaaaaact]

They should try and move Pageau with so little Cs available

Hopefully they do…

If Montreal were able to tank with Carey Price then NYI sure can find a way with Sorokin. NYI biggest strength is their depth through the line-up. Kill that and you have a good chance to tank - temporarily. I would personally deal all the bolded and keep the other for the retool.

UFAs would be the first ones to go and I would ask for the highest draft picks I could get for them. Nelson you could easily get a 1st + for him. Palmieri - Probably a 2nd round pick. You try to find a taker for Pageau at the deadline (50% retained) for a 1st and if no taker, wait until the draft or next TDL to move him. Get whatever you can for Lee.

I would try to find a buyer for Barzal at the draft. I would aim to get a young established C with the potential to grow and a first-round pick for him. For example, Cozens + 1st (If Buffalo can get another one at the draft) or if not, get an early 2nd round pick and a decent prospect at D, someone who can be a depth D in a couple of years. Another example would be to get Dach, a mid first round pick and another prospect from Montreal. You see the kind of value I'm looking at?

I would try to get a similar value for Horvat but this time I would try to get a high skilled forward or a good young D with top 4 potential (ideally RHD) on top of a first round pick and depth prospect. A good example would be Jack Quinn, Strbak and a high 2nd or mid-to-late first round pick. Another example would be to get Pefferti (or Yager), a first round pick and Salomonsson from Winnipeg. You know, that kind of package.

Pelech and Pulock would be draft day trades. I would target a first round pick, a young, decent NHL D that hasn't broken out yet and a mid (depth) prospect that has a chance to make it to the NHL. I don't have any examples in mind but plenty of teams are looking to shore up their top 4 and would be willing to pay that price.

You draft top 10 in June and suddenly you have a much younger line-up with skills and tons of draft capital. You tank for 2026 and hope to god you're lucky enough to hit the McKenna jackpot. If not, your consolidation price is still a high end forward. Surely some or several first round picks in the next two draft develop into high-end forwards in the NHL and your core pieces on the back-end and your high end #1 goalie are all still in their prime and ready to compete.

I agree with some of what you said for sure. All of the UFAs should be gone, and I think 3 of them can go this draft. If somehow Lou signed on for that, that's probably something like an extra 1st, 2 2nds and 2 3rds this draft. You grab a C with the top 8-ish pick and maybe take a chance on a Ryabkin with the pick you get for Nelson at the end of the draft. Suddenly the prospect pool isn't looking terrible.

I also agree that Pelech/Pulock are draft day trades, and would love to do the one that a CBJ fan offered which was Pelech for Sillinger. Feels like exactly what we need. If Winnipeg would send that deal for Horvat I would accept it on the spot. He's got an NTC though, Winnipeg doesn't seem to be a place that players waive for.

As far as Barzal There is a small but loud contingent of outspoken Isles fans that absolutely detest him, and I don't think that any of them would trade him for Cozens and a late first or Dach and a mid first - feels like horrendous value for us. Maybe you have a higher opinion of them than I do, or a lower opinion of Barzal.

I think I disagree that you need to rip it down to the studs at this point. We should get enough value by being bad this season and dealing our UFAs to do a quick year and a half/2 year retool.

 

[impaaaaaact]

It would work for the Canucks to get Horvat back because Quinn has the C now. Brock can focus back on his game and not take on literally everything else as well the way Luongo did.
Plus, the Canucks can pay him now. But that debacle is probably why he wouldn't want to come back.

I mean I wouldn't be shocked if he would. He knows the city and has friends on the team obviously. Maybe he would waive...

 

[WhatTheDuck]

JGP to Anaheim for Leafs 2025 3rd + Ducks 2026 4th. I think the Ducks would see an instant improvement just by not being the worst faceoff team in the league. They could pair Pageau with one of the young left handed centers who struggle on draws

 

[The Real JT]

Sometimes I don't know why I type the obvious: why trade good players under control when you can retool, and what you get retooling gets added to those good players instead of having to replace more players.

They need a star - a top dog. For sure. But they also need Barzal, and Horvat, and they don't need to shed the contracts. So, like, unless someone is going to trade a future star for one, I don't see the point.

Agree regarding Barzal and Horvat.

With respect to Dobson, I’m not sold on his star potential. He’s a marshmallow on defense and his overall intensity really worries me.

With that being said, the last thing I would do is give up a valuable chip like him without an overpayment. If the right offer doesn’t come along, I’d rather give him a qualifying offer for next year and then see how it goes. Maybe he’ll surprise me. I just fear extending him for big bucks and then ending up with an albatross of a contract like Jones or Nurse. Yeah, I know the cap is going up, but that’s just a rationalization when you hand out unfavorable deals.

 

[LPHabsFan]

If Montreal were able to tank with Carey Price then NYI sure can find a way with Sorokin. NYI biggest strength is their depth through the line-up. Kill that and you have a good chance to tank - temporarily. I would personally deal all the bolded and keep the other for the retool.

We never tanked with Price. If you're referring to the times where we got high picks (3rd overall twice), we weren't tanking that year, we were just absolute dogshit.

 

[impaaaaaact]

JGP to Anaheim for Leafs 2025 3rd + Ducks 2026 4th. I think the Ducks would see an instant improvement just by not being the worst faceoff team in the league. They could pair Pageau with one of the young left handed centers who struggle on draws

Honestly I think JGP is best as a winger who can take draws. Every time they put him in a top 6 role he starts putting up points. That being said, yeah sure he's all yours

 

[quackquackquack]

What JGP cost? He seems like a good bottom 6 fit for the Ducks. We can't win a faceoff to save our life

 

[impaaaaaact]

What JGP cost? He seems like a good bottom 6 fit for the Ducks. We can't win a faceoff to save our life

2 thirds? third and a fourth. Something like that

 

[seabass45]

...a Fire Sale where nothing is on sale...

OP and other Isles fans apparently disagree on how the team should proceed. OP also hasn’t said a word here since the initial post about this fire sale he decided was necessary.

 

[seabass45]

My outsider sense of Pelech is as a guy who is a step back from the elite shutdown play he showed a few years ago, but is still a pretty good middle pair shutdown guy. Do I have that right? Did he lose a step from a particular injury?

Regarding Jackets pieces, both LDBB and Chinakhov have a lot of variance in their projection that makes them awkward trade pieces - they both could conceivably be worth a lot more than Pelech or a lot less depending on how things go for them. If Chinakhov is healthy he would be worth significantly more.

Cole Sillinger is a guy the Jackets are very enamored with, so it's unlikely that he's traded. But he's a guy whose value is firmly in the 3C type category. Whether he's ever Pageau level, I don't know, but he's 21. Just not skilled enough to be a top six center. So it would make more sense (to me) that he would be the one traded for Pelech.

Pelech’s main issue is concussions. He took one nasty one and IMO hasn’t been the same since. Maybe just playing more cautiously? I think he’s fine now, he’s a good player, but not that guy who was on “top defensive defensemen” lists a few years ago.

 

[impaaaaaact]

If Montreal were able to tank with Carey Price then NYI sure can find a way with Sorokin.

We never tanked with Price. If you're referring to the times where we got high picks (3rd overall twice), we weren't tanking that year, we were just absolute dogshit.

I'm writing this absolutely hoping to jinx it because I want Lou to sell, but games like tonight are exactly what I'm talking about. We were winning getting outshot 16-2 at some point in the first. Hard to do a full tank when you have a goalie who regularly just absolutely shuts teams down

I'm writing this absolutely hoping to jinx it because I want Lou to sell, but games like tonight are exactly what I'm talking about. We were winning getting outshot 16-2 at some point in the first. Hard to do a full tank when you have a goalie who regularly just absolutely shuts teams down

oh my god I did it!!!!!

 

[HuGort]

Time for a major re-tool. Everyone is available. Make your offers.

What would you want from Habs for Pageau?

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Ducks would definitely be interested in Pageau. Need someone who can win faceoffs yet not be a total blackhole offensively.