Is USA hockey's window smaller than we think ?

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To me coaching makes all the difference. Cooper didn't spread the minutes in one game and adjusted and fixed it. Sullivan is entirely incapable of this even with a stacked roster.

Sullivan is the coach for the Olympics too, so I don't expect jack shit out of him there, especially with Sweden and Finland getting more depth with Euro leagues and the addition of Czechia etc.

I'd say the US isn't even worth wasting time discussing until they can figure out how to pick a proper coach.
The US lost in overtime to an absolutely stacked Canada team. And they won the first game. Arguably outplayed Canada overall in the game as well. I don't think the discrepancy in coaching is all that significant.
 
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I am aware of he rinks advantage but growing up in the Boston area from 60's thru 80's many towns flooded tennis courts to play hockey on and mine did that and had a roof covered refrigerated rink.


I am aware of he rinks advantage but growing up in the Boston area from 60's thru 80's many towns flooded tennis courts to play hockey on and mine did that and had a roof covered refrigerated rink.
Yes and IMO it is a great idea.Covering the rink protects from heavy snow and ponctuel little winter rain. I am jealous, when I was a kid, that could stop us playing for some time. Lucky them
 
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Too many posters got used to Canadian drafts like 2016 - 2019.

Did you think it was going to last forever?
 
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More American live in winter conducive climate than Canadians do.
I'm not sure on this one, but didn't find the right information.
But not impossible, USA has 10 times Canada population.

Do you have a link, found the question interesting.
 
I'm not sure on this one, but didn't find the right information.
But not impossible, USA has 10 times Canada population.

Do you have a link, found the question interesting.
Just New York State, Pennsylvania and Illinois alone surpass Canada’s population. They have a lot, a lot more population who live in winter conditions than do Canada.
 
Just New York State, Pennsylvania and Illinois alone surpass Canada’s population. They have a lot, a lot more population who live in winter conditions than do Canada.
And how many national team members did those states produce? Like two? Miller, Fox, not sure if missing anyone else. I think it shows there’s a good bit of untapped potential.
 
I just did a quick search. Minnesota, Michigan, Mass, Illinois and Ohio add up to more than Canada.

It's still besides the point though.
No, your original posts point about if Houston had Toronto weather was to suggest Houston would produce better athletes than Toronto just because, right?
 
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Thats how i read it, Im not sure i agree, but they will be less effective with an IIHF rule book. The Tkachuk brothers wont be able to roam free and hook/hook.obstruct/cheap shot after whistles. The US olympic team will go as far as Matthews goals take them.

Yes and IMO it is a great idea.Covering the rink protects from heavy snow and ponctuel little winter rain. I am jealous, when I was a kid, that could stop us playing for some time. Lucky them
The town I grew up in in the early 60s had a prep school outdoor rink (no roof) and flooded the tennis courts. When Orr came, the town built its own rink and the prep school covered its rink and it still flooded the courts. Now with global warming the
courts don't freeze long enough.
 
And how many national team members did those states produce? Like two? Miller, Fox, not sure if missing anyone else. I think it shows there’s a good bit of untapped potential.
I’m not the idiot who brought up population numbers living in winter weather. Just pointed out the flaw in the simple minded argument.
 
No, your original posts point about if Houston had Toronto weather was to suggest Houston would produce better athletes than Toronto just because, right?
No, my point was that if the entire United States could be skating in the winter, we'd have a much larger pool to pull from, which would increase the chances of spiking elite players more often. And we'd definitely produce higher numbers across the board.

If McDavid grew up in Tennessee, there's maybe a 3% chance he even tries on skates.
 
More American live in winter conducive climate than Canadians do.
Yeah but very few American athletes have rinks remotely close to where they live and by far play baseball, football and basketball and have never ever played hockey.

Its this simple, if the old school 3M states had the level of interest of Canada
you wouldn't be as successful guaranteed. You would win more but not as much.
 
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The town I grew up in in the early 60s had a prep school outdoor rink (no roof) and flooded the tennis courts. When Orr came, the town built its own rink and the prep school covered its rink and it still flooded the courts. Now with global warming the
courts don't freeze long enough.
Winter here are way more cold than in Boston and to prevent climate change they started refrigerating
outdoor rink. Good idea if you ask me. It's like snow blowing for Ski Center. Needed for kids to play outside.

I went 5-6 times in Boston during winter, I can't see you guys building outdoor rink w/o a refrigerated system.

BTW, Boston is my best USA city. Just saying.
 
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In the term of high end talent, the USA I don’t think will catch up at all in the next 10 years. There isn’t the next great American prospect like Eichel or Matthew’s. Plenty of very good prospects but nothing special.

Canada has DuPont, McKenna and Bedard who seem to be on that next level. Those are special prospects.

Both teams will have top end talent in the future like Hagens, Buium, Leonard, Hutson Vs Misa, Schaefer, Fantili, Parehk who should round out the rosters. But the states are missing the replacements for Matthew’s, Eichel and Hughes.

So I think this trend of two rosters who are very evenly matched with stars top to bottom will continue but Canada keeping the X factor of McDavid, Makar, Mack
 
No, your original posts point about if Houston had Toronto weather was to suggest Houston would produce better athletes than Toronto just because, right?
Lets concentrate on the 3M's ok? Total population of about 20 million from them with the best hockey cultures by far. For years Massachusetts until recently outstripped much more heavily populated NY by significant amounts. Only during the Orr boom did Massachusetts\New England hockey culture become probably 75% at best of Canada. It produced along with Michigan the guts of the 1996 World Cup champions.

Hockey culture matters, not just population.
 
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Lets concentrate on the 3M's ok? Total population of about 20 million from them with the best hockey cultures by far. For years Massachusetts until recently outstripped much more heavily populated NY by significant amounts. Only during the Orr boom did Massachusetts\New England hockey culture become probably 75% at best of Canada. It produced along with Michigan the guts of the 1996 World Cup champions.

Hockey culture matters, not just population.
Once again, I’m not the one who brought up the ridiculous argument of population in cold weather as if it were some trump card.
 
No, your original posts point about if Houston had Toronto weather was to suggest Houston would produce better athletes than Toronto just because, right?
First point would be to define what is winter condition!
Anyway, Mathews is from Arizona! With technologies, outdoor rink are no more essentiel.
 

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