Is this the Brassard we're going to get?
- Thread starter Crease
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Callagraves
Block shots
- Jan 24, 2011
- 6,373
- 2
He's a creative offensive centerman with a tendency to disappear.
The problem is that he's a non-factor in terms of forechecking and physical play, so when his offense is missing, he's not only ineffective, he's a void on whatever line he's playing on.
For Brassard to be an effective player, he needs to be playing his best. There's not much room for in-between. We've seen how great his offense can be, but if he'll be able to gain some consistency will depend if he solidifies a role or becomes a new problem to solve.
The problem is that he's a non-factor in terms of forechecking and physical play, so when his offense is missing, he's not only ineffective, he's a void on whatever line he's playing on.
For Brassard to be an effective player, he needs to be playing his best. There's not much room for in-between. We've seen how great his offense can be, but if he'll be able to gain some consistency will depend if he solidifies a role or becomes a new problem to solve.
JC704
Registered User
- Jan 6, 2012
- 785
- 267
Once Nash gets back, I'd be real curious to see what a Zuccarello-Brassard-Miller line could accomplish. Zucc has been a creative catalyst for mostly every line he's been on this season. Zucc has had chemistry with Stepan and Kreider, but Nash's speed could be an adequate replacement in order to bump Zucc down.
Playing Boyle/Pyatt/Pouliot/Dorsett with Brassard really accomplishes nothing. I've always been a supporter of pairing skill guys with skill guys, grit with grit etc. Brassard-Nash, even when they were in Columbus, was never truly a good combination. The problem is, Brass is likely our 7/8th best forward, depending on who you asked, so he gets squeezed out of playing with the top-six, but is probably slightly too good to be playing with the grinders in the bottom, hence, he's maddeningly inconsistent.
Playing Boyle/Pyatt/Pouliot/Dorsett with Brassard really accomplishes nothing. I've always been a supporter of pairing skill guys with skill guys, grit with grit etc. Brassard-Nash, even when they were in Columbus, was never truly a good combination. The problem is, Brass is likely our 7/8th best forward, depending on who you asked, so he gets squeezed out of playing with the top-six, but is probably slightly too good to be playing with the grinders in the bottom, hence, he's maddeningly inconsistent.
Kokoschka
Registered User
- May 13, 2012
- 3,166
- 50
I think Brassard will pick it up a little. I don't buy the "bad linemates" excuse. The "once everyone's healthy..." argument I consider a bit naive. You'll have your full group of forwards all healthy at the same time perhaps 10-20 games a season, if you're lucky. Nearly all teams have key players missing significant time every season - I'd like to remind you, in the 2011-12 season, we were ridiculously lucky with our health, while everyone else wasn't.
The issue I have is this: If you buyout Richards ( which I think we will), do you qualify a streaky, 45 pointish Brassard (that's what I think he'll be)? Not qualifying him gives you Stepan-Miller-Lindberg-X down the middle. Yikes. First step is to re-sign Boyle, that improves the issue a bit. One of our AHLers (I consider Miller an AHLer here) HAS to improve significantly to be 3rd line center.
Are we going to be going after an UFA (Stastny, who I'm certain would cost 6m$+ and demand 3 years+?) again or are we giving Brassard the opportunity to be our 2nd line center?
The issue I have is this: If you buyout Richards ( which I think we will), do you qualify a streaky, 45 pointish Brassard (that's what I think he'll be)? Not qualifying him gives you Stepan-Miller-Lindberg-X down the middle. Yikes. First step is to re-sign Boyle, that improves the issue a bit. One of our AHLers (I consider Miller an AHLer here) HAS to improve significantly to be 3rd line center.
Are we going to be going after an UFA (Stastny, who I'm certain would cost 6m$+ and demand 3 years+?) again or are we giving Brassard the opportunity to be our 2nd line center?
Half of the team took ten games to get it going. Unfortunately for Brassard, he was beaten to the punch by a couple other centers. And now he has to find consistency with offensively inept linemates.
He's streaky, as everyone else has said. I think he picks up the pace fairly soon.
He's streaky, as everyone else has said. I think he picks up the pace fairly soon.
I was hoping he would be quietly shipped out before talks start picking up about his game. If you count on a guy to check, and he can't do his job, then he sits. No one makes excuses for him.
If you count on a guy to score, and he doesn't, then you have to find other options. Brassard to me is obviously highly skilled, but where is the production to match that skill?
People whine about who he's playing with, but it's a play making center's job to make his wingers better. I am hoping AV practices Miller at center and see what he can do lining up in the 3rd or 4th slot to see what he can do.
If you count on a guy to score, and he doesn't, then you have to find other options. Brassard to me is obviously highly skilled, but where is the production to match that skill?
People whine about who he's playing with, but it's a play making center's job to make his wingers better. I am hoping AV practices Miller at center and see what he can do lining up in the 3rd or 4th slot to see what he can do.
Miller Time NYR
Registered User
His liberated aren't exactly offensive dynamos either, regardless in still laughing at the people who said this guy was surely going to score upwards of 70 points.
That's cause the 11-12 team had guys playing hurt and showing up every night. That team was tough as well as a little lucky. Well I also think other teams weren't throwing heavy hits or taking runs at the Ranger players because of how tough they were. I think that helps with team health.
Icing a genuine set of deterrents. No one is going to take runs at your better players if they know they are going to face retribution. I think it was more that than just a little luck.
As long as John Moore becomes a top 4 D NHL D,it doesn't matter what Brassard and Dorsett do. Did anyone see the AV show last night with Bill Pidto? MSG micd Moore. Pidto asked AV about Moore. AV said he's a gem. Great skater. A lot of potential. Still a young player. Columbus isn't re-signing Gaborik. They will probably trade him at the deadline. If that team falls out of the playoff race,they will trade him. Jarmo wants more from Gaborik before giving him a new contract. Gaborik isn't changing at age of 32.
Teams always need help in the middle. See what's available for Brassard. He has a $3.7M QO. Give it to him. He files for arbitration. Settle on a one year deal for $3.7M or a little higher. He becomes a group III in 2015. Make him play for his supper.
Teams always need help in the middle. See what's available for Brassard. He has a $3.7M QO. Give it to him. He files for arbitration. Settle on a one year deal for $3.7M or a little higher. He becomes a group III in 2015. Make him play for his supper.
eco's bones
Registered User
Even a Brassard with 35 + points as a third center means there is going to be some production out of your bottom 6--something we really didn't have last year. I think he's capable of more but he's not playing with the best guys. Of the guys he's been playing with Pouliot, Pyatt, Dorsett etc.--he's the best player. Pouliot is a really talented guy but he's a bit of a **** up. Reminds me a bit of Marcel Hossa--you'd wonder why he couldn't more.
Right at the moment it looks like we've kind of righted the ship. We have two lines playing with chemistry--Stepan-Zuccarello-Kreider and Richards-Callahan-Hagelin. Brassard's line is not doing great but it can't be taken for granted either. The team is just starting to score more goals. The picture isn't nearly as grim as it was a couple weeks ago.
Right at the moment it looks like we've kind of righted the ship. We have two lines playing with chemistry--Stepan-Zuccarello-Kreider and Richards-Callahan-Hagelin. Brassard's line is not doing great but it can't be taken for granted either. The team is just starting to score more goals. The picture isn't nearly as grim as it was a couple weeks ago.
Brassard is all sizzle and no steak. Hes been that way his whole career. Goes hand in hand with the pattern this fanbase has shown of looking at a track record and insisting it will turn out differently.
eco's bones
Registered User
Maybe you've forgotten but Brassard was one of our best players in last years playoffs. Richards wasn't.
Agree and hopefully that will be sooner than later. If we could get 3 lines that are somewhat dangerous that would be something.
Fitzy
Very Stable Genius
- Jan 29, 2009
- 36,332
- 24,103
But I think that, despite Brassards relatively slow pace, we're all happy that both Richards and Stepan are above 60 point pace.
Richards looks like he took a time machine back five years. When that happens offensive opportunities for Brassard drop in number.
Richards looks like he took a time machine back five years. When that happens offensive opportunities for Brassard drop in number.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Right, and isn't it amazing how a handful of games can totally change the view on a player? You expect players to pick it up soon after a trade -- but eventually, things regress back to the mean.
NYR Viper
Registered User
What am I missing? He has looked like he is still trying to find his game. He is not, nor ever will be, a ppg player so he will go through these streaks of not getting points or being unimpressive. If he finishes the year with 45-50 point will people be all that upset?
It is still extremely early on in the season, a 2 point game immediately changes his projection from (7/16 *82) 36 points to (9/17 *82) 43 points. HUGE swing. What happens if he goes on and scores (1) point in 4 straight games? (11/20 *82) 45 points.
He is streaky. We all knew this. Just like most players who hover around 45-50 points and I can almost guarantee he will hover around that again this year. That's still a valuable piece to a winning team.
It is still extremely early on in the season, a 2 point game immediately changes his projection from (7/16 *82) 36 points to (9/17 *82) 43 points. HUGE swing. What happens if he goes on and scores (1) point in 4 straight games? (11/20 *82) 45 points.
He is streaky. We all knew this. Just like most players who hover around 45-50 points and I can almost guarantee he will hover around that again this year. That's still a valuable piece to a winning team.
Hes streaky, doesnt produce at a solid rate, is prone to bone headed plays at times, is soft, and adds almost nothing else to the team if he isnt producing offensively.
The Rangers already have too many players like that in the middle of their lineup.
OverTheCap
Registered User
- Jan 3, 2009
- 10,454
- 184
Another thing about Brassard, you would have no idea that he was playing his first time against his former team that traded him last night. There's not much intensity in his game. Dubi and Arty played with authority and were amped up, and even Gabby had a few good shifts.
I can live with 45 point players who contribute when they aren't scoring - PKing, forechecking, wreaking havoc with their speed, etc. Brassard doesn't do any of that, and he is struggling to win faceoffs this year. He would be a more valuable player if he wasn't so one-dimensional.
I can live with 45 point players who contribute when they aren't scoring - PKing, forechecking, wreaking havoc with their speed, etc. Brassard doesn't do any of that, and he is struggling to win faceoffs this year. He would be a more valuable player if he wasn't so one-dimensional.
I think people are getting on Brassard a little too much here...he fights pretty well along the boards for the puck and he tries to make plays. Sometimes he gets too cute with the puck and yeah he's not a real grinder along the boards, but he works hard and if he's going to be the Rangers 3C this year then the Rangers are in a pretty good spot. If your 3C can put up 40-50 points then that's good depth and I think other parts of his game are a lot better than people are giving him credit for (or at least the effort is there)
Right now Stepan and Richards are outplaying him, but they SHOULD be because honestly they're better players. But with some more consistent linemates (Pyatt and Pouliot are kind of "eh" with him right now and Miller is young and inexperienced) I'm pretty sure he'd be at his career average.
Again, if Stepan and Richards are playing like legit 1 and 2 centers, then Brassard as 3C is good for this team
Right now Stepan and Richards are outplaying him, but they SHOULD be because honestly they're better players. But with some more consistent linemates (Pyatt and Pouliot are kind of "eh" with him right now and Miller is young and inexperienced) I'm pretty sure he'd be at his career average.
Again, if Stepan and Richards are playing like legit 1 and 2 centers, then Brassard as 3C is good for this team
KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
Seems like it'd be a lateral move. Brassard is a bit more offensive talent, and Anisimov is better schooled defensively.
