Is this a penalty?

[Samuel Culper III]

Which is pretty much dead on,

You can not turn your blade over to hook a stick away, you can use your stick to "press" down on their stick which would limit the movement of the stick and allow your teammate to get the puck,

Likewise, you can lift the player's stick in a stick check to get the puck, but you can not hold it up, think of it as a "pop" this way there is an extremely low risk of getting a penalty for "hooking"

Again, have to make sure you keep skating, as it's extremely easy to call a hooking call on these types of play if you coast and the other guy is skating, as your "lift" turns into a "hook" in about half a second as he is skating away, your stick ends up in his hands.

The rules USA hockey outlined say you CAN turn your blade over when performing a stick press, as long as you don't impede your opponent's progress (not their ability to get to the puck, their ability to keep moving). You CAN keep a players stick in the air once you lift it; look at tying a guy up in front of the net, you get your stick under his and pull his stick up off the ice so that he can't get it back down for a rebound or deflection. You can keep it up off the ice for as long as your able to without getting your own stick up high on them or doing anything else illegal. Even if you stop moving your feet, you can't really be called for hooking if you're stick checking the lower portion of an opponents stick unless your pulling it out of their hands.

 

[Lario Melieux*]

Lifting or tying up the stick of another player without the puck is NOT a penalty. Stick on stick is legal under ANY circumstance, as long as you don't break his stick or knock it out of his hands.

You can be 50 feet behind the play and go over and tie up someone's stick if you damn well please.

 

[TBLfan]

Well that makes sense why the refs "eased" up on the calls, they were told to via email.

Some refs still say that if the blade is turned over it's an automatic call.

I personally never turn my blade over on someone's stick, a quick stick lift or holding your stick down in front of their stick is more effective IMO.

 

[nystromshairstylist]

I don't see how this is a penalty at all. If you're close enough to lift the players stick than you're close enough to be "in the race" for the puck. If it were just you and the opponent and you were going to be beat to the puck but were close enough to stick check him, you would. I don't see how anything changes just because you have another teammate going into the corner with you. As long as you're talking about lifting his stick with your own stick, I don't see how this can be a penalty. Obviously, you're not lifting the guys stick 20 feet away from the puck so I fail to see how this could ever be called. If you're close enough to stick check him you are clearly close enough to make a play.

Basically, if you were going in one on one with the guy and he was beating you to the puck but you could get your stick on his, you would stick check him as soon as he got close to the puck, tie him up and than battle for possession. Adding another teammate on your side doesn't change that equation at all for me.

This.

I haven't been playing a long time, but as a fairly slow moving skater, a teammate will get to a puck in the corner before me, so i will stand between him and the oncoming opposing player, as a blocker in between, then i will lift the opponent's stick. I've probably done this 30 times, and not once has a ref even said a word.

In the NHL, while the rules might be different of course, this happens constantly and is never called.

 

[Jumbo*]

Lifting or tying up the stick of another player without the puck is NOT a penalty. Stick on stick is legal under ANY circumstance, as long as you don't break his stick or knock it out of his hands.

You can be 50 feet behind the play and go over and tie up someone's stick if you damn well please.

Uh yes, it is. You cant interfere in ANYWAY with someone away from the play. If two guys are going into the corner to battle for a puck and you lift his stick right before the guy tries to get it that is OK, but what the OP discussed is certainly an interference penatly.

 

[Lario Melieux*]

Uh yes, it is. You cant interfere in ANYWAY with someone away from the play. If two guys are going into the corner to battle for a puck and you lift his stick right before the guy tries to get it that is OK, but what the OP discussed is certainly an interference penatly.

It absolutely is not. I hate to pull the "I've been playing for 20 years card"... but I have. What the OP described is perfectly legal. I would go and try to find some evidence on the internet or in a rule book for you, but just take my word for it. It's not a penalty. I've NEVER seen a stick on stick penalty unless you break a stick or knock a stick out of someone's hand. The same goes for the 15 years of hockey I've been watching also.

 

[Pittsburgh Proud]

Lifting the stick is ok but holding it down with yours or crossing your blade over his shaft is a penalty.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Uh yes, it is. You cant interfere in ANYWAY with someone away from the play. If two guys are going into the corner to battle for a puck and you lift his stick right before the guy tries to get it that is OK, but what the OP discussed is certainly an interference penatly.

No. It's not. You can lift a players stick at any time, in any location, for any reason as long as you're not interfering with his ability to skate away or getting your stick up high on him.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Lifting the stick is ok but holding it down with yours or crossing your blade over his shaft is a penalty.

No, they're not.

 

[Gino 14]

OK so interferance seems to be a really vague rule and I'm wondering if this would fall under it... or any other rule.

Say a guy from my team is going for the puck along with a guy from the oposing team. I'm close but not going to make it so to help my team mate, I use my stick to pull away the opposing players stick.. not out of his hands, but basically hindering his ability to get the puck before my team mate.

Is this ok or not?

Thanks

both are penalties, one is hooking, the other is interference

just because some of the seasoned "pros" on here have never seen these called doesn't mean they are not illegal

 

[Analyzer*]

both are penalties, one is hooking, the other is interference

just because some of the seasoned "pros" on here have never seen these called doesn't mean they are not illegal

I think in Ball hockey those are penalties. I'm not ref, or read the rule book extensively, but I've never heard of using your stick to tie up an opposing player's stick as a penalty in ice hockey. Same with hooking a player's stick as he's going for the puck.

 

[ponder]

I think in Ball hockey those are penalties. I'm not ref, or read the rule book extensively, but I've never heard of using your stick to tie up an opposing player's stick as a penalty in ice hockey. Same with hooking a player's stick as he's going for the puck.

Indeed, maybe if you hooked his stick up high anywhere near the hands I could see there being a call, but hook it down low near the blade and that's not a penalty, that's standard legal stick on stick stuff that happens every 5 seconds in a hockey game.

 

[Lario Melieux*]

Lifting the stick is ok but holding it down with yours or crossing your blade over his shaft is a penalty.

 

[Gino 14]

Indeed, maybe if you hooked his stick up high anywhere near the hands I could see there being a call, but hook it down low near the blade and that's not a penalty, that's standard legal stick on stick stuff that happens every 5 seconds in a hockey game.

Rule 619 Hooking
(a) A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who
impedes or seeks to impede the progress of an opponent by
“hooking†with his stick.

The stick is considered part of the player, just as in slashing or holding, so hooking the stick is illegal. Read the OP, that's exactly what he said he was doing and what the rules state is illegal.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Rule 619 Hooking
(a) A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who
impedes or seeks to impede the progress of an opponent by
“hooking†with his stick.

The stick is considered part of the player, just as in slashing or holding, so hooking the stick is illegal. Read the OP, that's exactly what he said he was doing and what the rules state is illegal.

No, sorry, wrong. Hooking the stick is not a penalty if it is down low on the shaft and you're not ripping the stick out of the guys hands.

 

[sjmay*]

No, sorry, wrong. Hooking the stick is not a penalty if it is down low on the shaft and you're not ripping the stick out of the guys hands.

Absolutely dead wrong,

You are simply not allowed to "hook" anything, arm, leg, neck, stick, etc, it is a penalty,

What you are arguing though is that it won't be called, which may or may not be the case, but I certainly have called hooking the stick plenty of times, as it's the proper call when a scoring chance is taken away by someone using their stick to hook another's stick.


It's like slashing, you don't have to actually hit anything for their to be a slashing call, you know this, right?

 

[NJDwoot]

http://www.usahockey.com/Template_Usahockey.aspx?NAV=OF_07&id=196290

QUESTION #1
I have been looking all throughout my training manuals and rulebooks for the definition of a Stick press and whether this is legal in USA Hockey rules.
Can you explain this to me please?
Thank you,
ANSWER #1
The definition of a "Stick Press' was addressed back in September, 2006 in an e-mail, sent to all registered USA Hockey officials, which covered several different topics involving the 'Standard of Play Initiative'. Here's an excerpt that explains the use of the stick and the 'Stick Press' from that clarification e-mail:

The use of the stick to lift an opponent’s stick and gain possession of the puck or prevent them from gaining possession of the puck is considered a good defensive play that should not be penalized. Lifting a non-puck carrier’s stick in a manner that does not impede their progress is also allowable under the rules. In addition, the use of the stick to check an opponent’s stick or press the opponent’s stick to the ice or boards is a good defensive play as long as it is done on the lower portion of the stick shaft and the intended purpose is to dislodge the puck or prevent the opponent from playing the puck.

Turning the stick blade over on top of the stick of an opponent for the purpose of pressing the stick and preventing the opponent from playing the puck is also allowable. If done, it must be on the lower portion of the stick and for the sole purpose of preventing the opponent from playing the puck. However, if done in a manner that impedes the progress of an opponent, or contact is made higher up on the stick, a penalty for hooking should be assessed.

I copied and pasted this from the usa hockey website... is usahockey.com not a legit website? the link will take you directly to the article I copied.

I am NOT impeding on his ability to move in any way, I am only pressing his stick down for not even 1 second... just enough time for my teammate to get the puck before he does, like its leterally a split second reflex move. Sorry for any confusion in the original post, I was trying to discribe what is happening on the play.

I understand this could be a penelty if its behind the play (but why stick check when no puck is around?). I suppose I could be involved in the play just as much as my teammate and the oposing player, like another poster said, If im close enough to stick check then I'm involved in the play.

 

[nullterm]

Never seen any stick on stick contact result in a penalty, except if you break it with a slash.

If you lift too high then a high stick.

If you make contact with his body then you have a hook.

Especially if you're supporting the goalie around the net, often times a good stick lift or stick-on-stick check before the pass arrives on his stick can keep the puck outta the net.

 

[sjmay*]

Never seen any stick on stick contact result in a penalty, except if you break it with a slash.

If you lift too high then a high stick.

If you make contact with his body then you have a hook.

Especially if you're supporting the goalie around the net, often times a good stick lift or stick-on-stick check before the pass arrives on his stick can keep the puck outta the net.

Stick lift and a stick press or stick check, are completely different than hooking a stick.

 

[Gino 14]

I am NOT impeding on his ability to move in any way, I am only pressing his stick down for not even 1 second... just enough time for my teammate to get the puck before he does

That doesn't match what you said in your original post

I use my stick to pull away the oposing players stick.. not out of his hands, but basically hindering his ability to get the puck before my team mate.

 

[NJDwoot]

That doesn't match what you said in your original post

You're right. I didnt explain the situation very well. "pull away" probably wasnt the best term to use. Ultimatly what I'm asking is if a stick press on a oposing player would fall under interferance if he did not have the puck and it wasnt a battle between him and I.

However like i said, im not body checking him, tripping or anything like that, just giving him a little "whats up" on his stick so my teammate can get the puck just before he does.

 

[Lario Melieux*]

Absolutely dead wrong,

You are simply not allowed to "hook" anything, arm, leg, neck, stick, etc, it is a penalty,

What you are arguing though is that it won't be called, which may or may not be the case, but I certainly have called hooking the stick plenty of times, as it's the proper call when a scoring chance is taken away by someone using their stick to hook another's stick.


It's like slashing, you don't have to actually hit anything for their to be a slashing call, you know this, right?

You call a hooking penalty when a player hooks a stick? Because it takes away a scoring chance? Seriously? That's called playing defense.

Again people. I'll just say this to make it crystal clear. Stick on stick contact is legal under any circumstance as long as you don't break a player's stick or knock the stick out of his hands. Say it with me now. Stick on stick contact is legal under any circumstance as long as you don't break a player's stick or knock the stick out of his hands.

Some of this stuff in this thread is just mind-boggling.

 

[Lario Melieux*]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26347

55.1 Hooking - Hooking is the act of using the stick in a manner that enables a player to restrain an opponent When a player is checking another in such a way that there is only stick-to-stick contact, such action is not to be penalized as hooking.

Well, here's the definition out of the NHL rulebook for what it's worth. Maybe it's ruled differently at lower levels of hockey, although I've never seen even at lower levels of hockey.

 

[Lario Melieux*]

Turning the stick blade over on top of the stick of an opponent for the purpose of pressing the stick and preventing the opponent from playing the puck is also allowable. If done, it must be on the lower portion of the stick and for the sole purpose of preventing the opponent from playing the puck. However, if done in a manner that impedes the progress of an opponent, or contact is made higher up on the stick, a penalty for hooking should be assessed.

The only way I can see a stick on stick impeding the progress of a player is if you use your stick to pin his stick up against your own leg or body somehow. Otherwise, it's not really difficult for a player to free up his stick from your stick if he wants to move.

 

[Samuel Culper III]