Is there a new type of goal scorer/sniper that could be classified?

[Scintillating10]

I still think of him as more of a skill and outside shooter. One-timers. etc. Here's his 50th in '83. For me, he just doesn't fall into that garbage man group.

Vaive played on some bad teams

 

[Siludin]

The checking line player playing with the scorers and scoring tap-ins is like, one of the most standard line recipes in the NHL. It's easier to be a garbage man than ever before, because it's not as dangerous / punishing, so you see a lot of players swap in and out of that role throughout the season, which is why you don't see as many players define themselves by that exclusively, like your Holmstroms/Smyths of the past.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

This role also became a lot easier after guys like Shea Weber retired

 

[nowhereman]

I'm confused by the Phil Esposito mentions here. He wasn't just cleaning up Orr's garbage every game. There probably isn't a deadlier player in league history from the high slot and he had a wicked snap shot that he learned from Bobby Hull. He was notorious for finding space in no man's land, just above the hash marks, and wiring it from there.

Esposito could score in so many ways, I would hardly compare him to a guy like Andreychuk, Holmstrom or Smyth.

 

[Oak]

 

[JianYang]

Yeah, Brian gionta I feel made a living off of tip ins, rebounds, and breakways.

He scored 50 one year I believe but I never really considered him a sniper

Although he did have a half decent clapper at one point in his career.

 

[SuperScript29]

The Garbage Man, and it's not new.

Andreychuck scored 640 goals and he could barely skate.

Neely made his living in front of the net.

Tim Kerr was one of the best PP power forwards in the 80s.

Yea plenty of guys were like that, Robitaille is another that comes to mind.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I don't know of Holmstrom ever scored a pretty goal but he scored some goals.

 

[Trash Panda]

Yea plenty of guys were like that, Robitaille is another that comes to mind.

Luc could shoot the f*** outta the puck, he just couldn’t skate.

Or run a successful hockey organization.

 

[CanadienShark]

Skilled grinder? Obviously not a perfect comparison, but that's how Crosby has been described for around a decade or more.

 

[Leafshater67]

My coach in junior 15 years ago called me Oscar the grouch because I always scored the worst, most garbage goals. It’s not new. I remember watching players of previous generations do the same. Tomas Holstrom was a big one when I was growing up.

 

[kevsh]

There's definitely a distinction to be made between players like Esposito that while they scored a lot in close they can shoot, a grinder like Hyman who is dominant in puck battles and creating opportunities for his teammates and Andreychuk, who just parked his massive posterior in front of the net and was almost impossible to move.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Chris Kreider is a modern day Garbage man. scored 52 a few years back like that.

 

[NotTheRocketman]

Jake Neighbours is shaping up to be one of these guys. He crashes the net, draws penalties, and is a pain in the ass to play against. He made massive strides this year as well, scoring 27 goals as a 22 year old. He's a star in the making.

 

[Henkka]

After seeing Zach Hyman this season, and Sam Reinhart that could be included, I'm wondering if there is a new scorer type? It's like sniper, but that don't snipe. They score goals by rebounds, and mostly score like a few inches from the goalie. It's like they pick up the trash.

New scorer type?

Like from days of Tim Kerr from the seventies? 50 years of that type.

Tomas Holmström etc.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Oilers are on fire right now, can't believe Zach Hyman invented the net-front presence, truly inspirational stuff.

Inventing the net-front presence & the offensive defenseman all in one season? This years Oilers really are on fire.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

After seeing Zach Hyman this season, and Sam Reinhart that could be included, I'm wondering if there is a new scorer type? It's like sniper, but that don't snipe. They score goals by rebounds, and mostly score like a few inches from the goalie. It's like they pick up the trash.

I have some family members that told me that Jonathan Cheechoo was that kind of player back then in his 2005-2007 short-lived prime with Joe Thornton.

What are y'all guys thoughts?

Cheechoo was indeed quite a bit like that.

I've been noticing as well that there's a sort of archetype recently of average sized, roughly average speed, right handed players with a nice, but not overwhelming, shot, soft hands, and fantastic hockey sense to get into position.

Some examples that come to mind are:

Hyman
Reinhart
Toffoli
Boeser
Pavelski
Wyatt Johnson
Jarvis
DeBrincat
Eberle.

Note: I don't include guys with serious standout attributes like:

Caufield (superlative shot)
Point (fast)
Pastrnak (too big, great shot, too much of a talented puck carrier)
Bedard (shot is incredible, good at almost everything)
etc.

 

[BearQC]

Off the top of my head, I believe it's the first time ever 2 garbage goal guys have broken out like this in the same season.

It's really unusual as 50 goal guys are usually at least somewhat predictable, and no one had either of these two doing it.

Exactly what I'm thinking

 

[LokiDog]

Ryan Smyth, Tomas Holmstrom, Johan Franzen, Dave Andreychuk, Cam Neely, Phil Esposito… it’s not new. In fact, Ryan Smyth is one of more beloved garbage men of all time, so it really says something when an Oilers fan is wondering about Hyman. I guess McD really has brought new generations of fans to the game. Today it’s Kreider, Hyman, Reinhart, etc.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Oilers are on fire right now, can't believe Zach Hyman invented the net-front presence, truly inspirational stuff.

He might have invented the stand on the far post and wait for McDavid to bank it off him. A backboard specialist.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

They don't ask how, they ask how many?

 

[HolyGhost]

The Garbage Man, and it's not new.

Andreychuck scored 640 goals and he could barely skate.

Neely made his living in front of the net.

Tim Kerr was one of the best PP power forwards in the 80s.

First guy I thought of

 

[The Panther]

Phil Esposito scored hundreds of goals off rebounds from Bobby Orr point shots during his career.

Bumper sticker in Massachussetts back then:

"Jesus saves.

...and Esposito scores on the rebound."

I'm confused by the Phil Esposito mentions here. He wasn't just cleaning up Orr's garbage every game. There probably isn't a deadlier player in league history from the high slot and he had a wicked snap shot that he learned from Bobby Hull. He was notorious for finding space in no man's land, just above the hash marks, and wiring it from there.

Esposito top-7 assist finishes:
1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2
Crosby top-7 assist finishes:
1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 7, 7

 

[Coffees]

a "Goal Scorer". It does not discriminate.

Yes it does

 

[Marioesque]

I don't know of Holmstrom ever scored a pretty goal but he scored some goals.

Holmstrom had a Jagr level hockey ass, when he parked that thing in the slot it wasn't moving .

Franzen the Mule was also a die hard net front man. Those Detroit Swedes