Is the Rebuild almost done? POLL

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In terms of the Habs rebuild phase.....

  • It is over!

    Votes: 15 7.1%
  • We still need one more piece

    Votes: 39 18.4%
  • We need at least two pieces

    Votes: 84 39.6%
  • We need three pieces

    Votes: 43 20.3%
  • At least 4....this team aint it

    Votes: 20 9.4%
  • Time to start a re-tool of our rebuild

    Votes: 7 3.3%
  • What rebuild? We have been in it all along!

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • Total voters
    212
If both Reinbacher and Guhle cannot return to their full form after their significant injuries, this team’s heralded re-build will take at least two years longer. All the discussions about possible combinations and usages of our current defensive assets is akin to re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

With the injuries to Guhle and Reinbacher, the trading of Harris and Barron, the obvious limitations of Mailloux, the over usage of Matheson, the decline of Savard and opposing teams’ growing ability to limit Hutson’s mobility and effectiveness through strong targeted physical play Montreal has been caught slow on defence.

All the Demidovs, Hages, Becks, Kapanens, etc. won’t address this problem. As I said at the start of the season, the team’s supposed depth on defense was largely illusory.

Reality is sometimes a real bitch.

Try being a New York Football Giants fan.
Injuries are a variable you can't control. No doubt that without the ridiculous injuries we've had we'd have been further ahead this season.

Dach misses 80 games on a hit that doesn't look like much. Plays like ass in his first two months back.
Guhle lacerates his leg in a once in a lifetime injury (I can't remember anything like it)
Reinbacher - Out for the season 'cause skating...
Heineman gets hit by a car.

It's just insane.

Anyways, I don't think any of these things will hurt us long term. It set us back this year but it's a transition season anyway. Hopefully we get this stupid crap out of the way and don't have to deal with it anymore. Injuries are inevitable but the types we've had - and the severity - is just crazy. I can't remember seeing a hockey team that was more cursed. - I'll leave the Giants out of this. :laugh:
 
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honestly there's still too many question marks. dach was bad all year, slaf sucks and has been demoted and benched, Orville Redenbacher hasn't touched a stick in like 2 years. Those are all important future pieces that have either been disappointing or too injured to disappoint. Idk i guess we will see how we are next year. at least we got demidov
 
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Injuries are a variable you can't control. No doubt that without the ridiculous injuries we've had we'd have been further ahead this season.

Dach misses 80 games on a hit that doesn't look like much. Plays like ass in his first two months back.
Guhle lacerates his leg in a once in a lifetime injury (I can't remember anything like it)
Reinbacher - Out for the season 'cause skating...
Heineman gets hit by a car.

It's just insane.

Anyways, I don't think any of these things will hurt us long term. It set us back this year but it's a transition season anyway. Hopefully we get this stupid crap out of the way and don't have to deal with it anymore. Injuries are inevitable but the types we've had - and the severity - is just crazy. I can't remember seeing a hockey team that was more cursed. - I'll leave the Giants out of this. :laugh:

I have to remind myself that Heineman getting hit by a car is not a joke. The hockey gods have a twisted sense of humour.
 
I voted 3 pieces, but I believe they are in the system, Slaf, Demidov and Reinbacher need to reach their full potential, no small order, but we need slaf to become a legit top line power forward, and Reinbacher to be a top pairing guy. I’m the least concerned about Demidov, guy has franchise forward written all over him.
 
I voted 3 pieces, but I believe they are in the system, Slaf, Demidov and Reinbacher need to reach their full potential, no small order, but we need slaf to become a legit top line power forward, and Reinbacher to be a top pairing guy. I’m the least concerned about Demidov, guy has franchise forward written all over him.
Slaf is not a power forward. He does not play like a power forward, does not think like a power forward, and will not be a power forward in the NHL. If he's to become a powerful winger who can win board battles with his heft and reach and be successful in 50:50s, then that's fine enough.
 
The rebuild is indeed over -- if you're not interested in ever making the playoffs again, that is!
 
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Strength down centre
Established reliable blueliners
1A & 1B reliable goaltending
Depth throughout

That would be my goal and even if that is achieved, rosters are always in flux.

Back in the dynasty days, the Habs always seemed to be be adding a rookie or two who could be brought along by the vets. As well as filing any holes with other veterans. Of course the salary cap has made it very difficult to maintain stability in a roster. So the team will always be a work in progress. Would need to start making the playoffs to believe they have turned a corner.
 
Probably should have stayed down a year or two longer and get a Misa or Schafer. Or a McKenna type. Instead of a .500 team and draft a #4 d-man or second line winger.

I get the competitive thing, Gorton's right there. But this isn't New York or Boston. The option of signing a Panini or Chara or Fox type doesn't exist. Habs don't have that center or first pairing right D yet. They near impossible to trade for.
 
We need 23 points in our final 26 games to equal last year’s total of 78 points in 82 games.

Basically, we are exactly where we were last year. We just have the knowledge now that Hutson and Demidov are good but that the rest of Hughes’ roster building moves have been bad.

A clear cut regression year for the rebuild.
 
We need 23 points in our final 26 games to equal last year’s total of 78 points in 82 games.

Basically, we are exactly where we were last year. We just have the knowledge now that Hutson and Demidov are good but that the rest of Hughes’ roster building moves have been bad.

A clear cut regression year for the rebuild.
I think this is an incomplete take on the team's progression.

What we do get from what we see on the ice, even though the team has not yet had an actual second line to insulate Suzuki's line, and despite the fact that slafkovsky has not progressed beyond las season this year (slight regression as he is on pace for 45 points versus the 50 points of last season, with less goals and a less dominant play that had been seen in last year's second half:

Suzuki is on pace to match last year's 77-points and, with better play from Dach and Laine in a secondary scoring role (maybe Dach plays RW with Caufield and Suzuki to end out the year and Slafkovsky is tried at C, who knows?), maybe actually reaches the PPG production of undisputed #1Cs?

Caufield is a much more complete player than many gave him credit to be and can be much more of a play driver than the stereotype of a trigger man that had been attributed to him. That is clear cut progression; 4th consecutive 20-goal season in 4 consecutive full (or at least half) seasons, with 25+ goal-scoring for a 3rd consecutive season and a pace for at least 30+, if not 40 goals this season. Add to that a pace for 70+ points and much stronger defensive play than expected and we have a strong 1st line winger.

Hutson, as a rookie, has dispelled any doubts that he will throve at the NHL level, if not become one of the better all around Ds in the league. His defensive play might not be predicated on strong physical dominance, but his hockey smarts, active stick and ability to -- even at his small stature -- get his body between the puck and the opponent during one-on-one battles, but, short of a few brain farts, has proven to be effective in the NHL, even against larger opponents.

Guhle's absence due to injury has clearly demonstrated his importance to the team's fortunes and stability when he is on the ice. Unfortunately, he has not dispelled the concerns that he is made out of glass.

Xhekaj, while not a star player for th Habs, has displayed an ability to stay disciplined and out of the penalty box, making him much more useful to the team in a physical, third pairing role.

The Laine acquisition was essentially trading Harris for a 2nd round pick + a lottery ticket. Hughes did not get fleeced on a wing and a prayer deal when it comes to the Laine component. "Ah, well," as they say. No harm, no fowl (foul ;)).

Dach did not progress, but recovering from an injury that had him miss an entire season (minus a few games) may be a longer project, if it ends up working.

Newhook is a disappointment, but that may have more to doo with expectations than who the player is and always was. In the end, odds are that the picks given up will never amount to more than what Newhook brings to the table. Still wish we were not saddled with this player.

While we are still stuck with the contracts of Anderson and Gallagher, and while some propects keep developing (Demidov, Beck, Kapanen, Hage, etc.), we won't have as much room open in the roster
to test out the younger players on the verge of making it to the NHL, but not rushing everyone as though all pics are generational picks is not a bad idea either.

As for Demidov, I suspect he will be playing immediately in the NHL, if only because Hughes would rather have a first-hand impact on his development closer to home than even Laval. Yet, even if he plays NHL hockey next year, we should lower expectations from the projected PPG performances for the rookie!

Lastly, in terms of progression, the long enough sample before Christmas has proven to us that St-Louis is also capable of having his troops play solid defensive hockey that they can exploit to create offense.

Just keep adding talent and bringing a consistent level of engagement and things should continue to progress.
 
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I think this is an incomplete take on the team's progression.

What we do get from what we see on the ice, even though the team has not yet had an actual second line to insulate Suzuki's line, and despite the fact that slafkovsky has not progressed beyond las season this year (slight regression as he is on pace for 45 points versus the 50 points of last season, with less goals and a less dominant play that had been seen in last year's second half:

Suzuki is on pace to match last year's 77-points and, with better play from Dach and Laine in a secondary scoring role (maybe Dach plays RW with Caufield and Suzuki to end out the year and Slafkovsky is tried at C, who knows?), maybe actually reaches the PPG production of undisputed #1Cs?

Caufield is a much more complete player than many gave him credit to be and can be much more of a play driver than the stereotype of a trigger man that had been attributed to him. That is clear cut progression; 4th consecutive 20-goal season in 4 consecutive full (or at least half) seasons, with 25+ goal-scoring for a 3rd consecutive season and a pace for at least 30+, if not 40 goals this season. Add to that a pace for 70+ points and much stronger defensive play than expected and we have a strong 1st line winger.

Hutson, as a rookie, has dispelled any doubts that he will throve at the NHL level, if not become one of the better all around Ds in the league. His defensive play might not be predicated on strong physical dominance, but his hockey smarts, active stick and ability to -- even at his small stature -- get his body between the puck and the opponent during one-on-one battles, but, short of a few brain farts, has proven to be effective in the NHL, even against larger opponents.

Guhle's absence due to injury has clearly demonstrated his importance to the team's fortunes and stability when he is on the ice. Unfortunately, he has not dispelled the concerns that he is made out of glass.

Xhekaj, while not a star player for th Habs, has displayed an ability to stay disciplined and out of the penalty box, making him much more useful to the team in a physical, third pairing role.

The Laine acquisition was essentially trading Harris for a 2nd round pick + a lottery ticket. Hughes did not get fleeced on a wing and a prayer deal when it comes to the Laine component. "Ah, well," as they say. No harm, no fowl (foul ;)).

Dach did not progress, but recovering from an injury that had him miss an entire season (minus a few games) may be a longer project, if it ends up working.

Newhook is a disappointment, but that may have more to doo with expectations than who the player is and always was. In the end, odds are that the picks given up will never amount to more than what Newhook brings to the table. Still wish we were not saddled with this player.

While we are still stuck with the contracts of Anderson and Gallagher, and while some propects keep developing (Demidov, Beck, Kapanen, Hage, etc.), we won't have as much room open in the roster
to test out the younger players on the verge of making it to the NHL, but not rushing everyone as though all pics are generational picks is not a bad idea either.

As for Demidov, I suspect he will be playing immediately in the NHL, if only because Hughes would rather have a first-hand impact on his development closer to home than even Laval. Yet, even if he plays NHL hockey next year, we should lower expectations from the projected PPG performances for the rookie!

Lastly, in terms of progression, the long enough sample before Christmas has proven to us that St-Louis is also capable of having his troops play solid defensive hockey that they can exploit to create offense.

Just keep adding talent and bringing a consistent level of engagement and things should continue to progress.
I would agree there's a very clear progression to Caufield's game. He's consistently been our best player this year. He's constantly creating chances out there and he's putting up a whack of goals.

But, my hopes for him were that he'd be a consistent top ten goal scorer. He's still got a shot at that but his goal scoring pace has dropped off as he's just below 40 now. Obviously that can chance (I hope it does) but I'd really like to see more goals from him.
 

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