Is the Golden Knights' problem Jack Eichel?

[Sky04]

Yikes i definitely disagree. I feel eichel is a good but over rated player and has been due to his draft position. Miller is a decent player but nowhere near franchise player and those 99 points wont be anything close to the normal kind of production jt miller will produce.

JT miller reached 500 points a few days ago (689 games 187 goals 501 points) but hes in his 11th season, eichel has 410 points (448 games 168 goals 414 points) in his 8th season including a 20 game season. Eichel averages a much better PPG and usually scores more goals per season.

EIchel isn't anywhere near a franchise player either, at least Miller has been a PPG offensive threat since arriving in Vancouver, Eichel's numbers are putrid over the last 3 years and this is an offense only 25~ year old.

 

[yada]

EIchel isn't anywhere near a franchise player either, at least Miller has been a PPG offensive threat since arriving in Vancouver, Eichel's numbers are putrid over the last 3 years and this is an offense only 25~ year old.

Eichel is a little under a PPG in 73 games since undergoing neck surgery. I still give him some slack for performance. I dont like eichel and think hes an entitled a hole but im not gonna just trash his production or forget hes barely a full year from returning from a first time surgery for an nhl player.

 

[Sky04]

Eichel is a little under a PPG in 73 games since undergoing neck surgery. I still give him some slack for performance. I dont like eichel and think hes an entitled a hole but im not gonna just trash his production or forget hes barely a full year from returning from a first time surgery for an nhl player.

lol first time for that surgery (that Tyler Johnson had a couple weeks later and is producing well in Chicago right now) not first time for that injury. It doesn't take a full year to recover, what's more than likely is that he hasn't acclimated from being a puck hog and the loose style they played on bad Buffalo team's to a contender with more structure.

 

[iCanada]

Yikes i definitely disagree. I feel eichel is a good but over rated player and has been due to his draft position. Miller is a decent player but nowhere near franchise player and those 99 points wont be anything close to the normal kind of production jt miller will produce.

JT miller reached 500 points a few days ago (689 games 187 goals 501 points) but hes in his 11th season, eichel has 410 points (448 games 168 goals 414 points) in his 8th season including a 20 game season. Eichel averages a much better PPG and usually scores more goals per season.

Vegas has dropped 6 points in standings in 9 games relative to rest of Pacific.

Eichel - 9 GP 0-1-1 pts -8, 25 shots 18:38 ATOI

 

[Voight]

Never forget there was a time when some people on this board tried their best to say he was better than Matthews and would be long term.

 

[Dueling Banjos]

Virtanen's ex club has a spot open now

 

[MOGlLNY]

lol first time for that surgery (that Tyler Johnson had a couple weeks later and is producing well in Chicago right now) not first time for that injury. It doesn't take a full year to recover, what's more than likely is that he hasn't acclimated from being a puck hog and the loose style they played on bad Buffalo team's to a contender with more structure.

Huh? Dan Bylsma? Ralph Krueger? Loose?

Eichel never played under Granato.

 

[Sky04]

Huh? Dan Bylsma? Ralph Krueger? Loose?

Eichel never played under Granato.

Ah yes cause the Eichel era of the Sabre's was such a structured team.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Ah yes cause the Eichel era of the Sabre's was such a structured team.

Structured ≠ Good

But whatever you say

 

[Ararana]

Vegas' problem is they went all in on aging players and didn't win when they should have. It's all decline from here on out.

That Pietro contact going to turn into a ball and chain any day now. They got lucky with Stone who is going to give them a free pass with his back.

 

[Dubi Doo]

In fairness to him, I suspect he's playing injured.

Missing a month and then having your ppg/gpg all of the sudden falling off the face of the planet ... to me it points to a guy playing hurt.

13 goals in his first 27 games, then gets hurt, misses about a month and now has 2 goals in his last 11 games since returning, that's going from a near 40 goal pace pre-injury to a 15 goal pace post-injury. I think whatever caused him to miss a month there is still bothering him, he's just trying to play through it.

Either that or the coach calling him out impacted his play.

 

[Shad]

It’s me hi I’m the problem it’s me at tea time everybody agrees

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Never forget there was a time when some people on this board tried their best to say he was better than Matthews and would be long term.

I argued he might be equal, given equivalent talent around him, but he’s been disappointing in Vegas. Not sure what’s up, but I’m also no longer a Jack fan, so idgaf. I wasn’t even pissed at him leaving, just his prissy attitude afterwards.

 

[BFLO]

I feel gross defending Eichel but there's far too many people in this thread patting themselves on the back and saying "See, I told you so. Eichel always sucked". *smirks*

No. You did not tell us that Eichel would finish top 10 in leaguewide scoring in his 5th year. But that he was made of glass so he would eventually get worn down by his billion injuries and would be a big disappointment by year 8.

 

[stokes84]

I argued he might be equal, given equivalent talent around him, but he’s been disappointing in Vegas. Not sure what’s up, but I’m also no longer a Jack fan, so idgaf. I wasn’t even pissed at him leaving, just his prissy attitude afterwards.

Anyone that watched him as a prospect thought his career would be better than what it has turned out to be. It’s fair to call him a disappointment.

 

[RapidKnight]

EIchel isn't anywhere near a franchise player either, at least Miller has been a PPG offensive threat since arriving in Vancouver, Eichel's numbers are putrid over the last 3 years and this is an offense only 25~ year old.

No not really he is well above average defensively.

 

[Melrose Munch]

63 points in 64 games. PPG player but don't think 100 points is in the cards..

 

[Dubi Doo]

63 points in 64 games. PPG player but don't think 100 points is in the cards..

It's pretty wild that Tuch is the best player of that trade thus far.

I think Eichel will put up better numbers next year if he isn't injured. 63 in 64 is pretty disappointing given how much scoring there's been league wide this year, but it sounds like his two way game has come along quite well. If he can put up more points, he'll be incredibly dominant.

 

[Shane Diesel]

It's pretty wild that Tuch is the best player of that trade thus far.

I think Eichel will put up better numbers next year if he isn't injured. 62 in 63 is pretty disappointing given how much scoring there's been league wide this year, but it sounds like his two way game has come along quite well. If he can put up more points, he'll be incredibly dominant.

Especially for a $10 million cap hit.

 

[Melrose Munch]

It's pretty wild that Tuch is the best player of that trade thus far.

I think Eichel will put up better numbers next year if he isn't injured. 63 in 64 is pretty disappointing given how much scoring there's been league wide this year, but it sounds like his two way game has come along quite well. If he can put up more points, he'll be incredibly dominant.

Agreed. The biggest issue is the injuries.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Early carrier comparison with McDavid set all kinds of unfair expectations.
I though he would become the face of a bottom tier franchise a little bit like Tavares was.

Both player fate turn out to be traded to ''better'' teams where sometimes you even forget they even there.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's pretty wild that Tuch is the best player of that trade thus far.

I think Eichel will put up better numbers next year if he isn't injured. 63 in 64 is pretty disappointing given how much scoring there's been league wide this year, but it sounds like his two way game has come along quite well. If he can put up more points, he'll be incredibly dominant.

Tuch is not better than Eichel lol. Yeah, he has more points playing on a loaded line.

Eichel is a dominant PPG 2 way centermen.

13g 29p in 26gp before getting injured
12g 29p in 26gp since the ASG break

Dude came back too soon from his injury, and was able to fully recover during his extended break.
25g 58p in 52gp when healthy while absolutely carrying the Knight's offense.

He's been a HUGE difference maker for them at 5v5:

With Eichel on the ice
54GF / 35GA +19 GD

Without Eichel on the ice
120GF / 120GA +0 GD

I posted this a few weeks ago to give you an idea of how important he is to Vegas:

They are currently 1st in the West at 41-20-6. And he's probably the biggest reason why.

With Eichel in lineup
34-15-5 (.676 p%) 173GF 139GA (+44 GD)
= 111 point pace over 82 games

Without Eichel in lineup
7-5-1 (.577 p%) 40GF 43GA (-3 GD)
= 95 point pace over 82 games

When he's in the lineup, Vegas plays like the best team in the West. Without him, their points percentage would put them 9th in the West.

Similarly, they've significantly outscored the opponent at 5v5 when he's on the ice. But without Eichel on the ice, their 5v5 goal differential would make them a bubble team:

With Eichel on the ice
46GF / 31GA +15 GD

Without Eichel on the ice
101GF / 100GA +1 GD

I'm fairly confident that the team is okay paying him $10M if it's the difference between home ice until the cup final and missing the playoffs.

What's impressive is that he's still having such a positive effect despite his injuries.

He had 13g 29p in his first 26gp before getting injured. Then he returned (probably prematurely) from a lower body injury and put up only 2g 5p -9 in the next 12gp, with only 2p in the 10gp leading up to the ASG. His skating and shooting seemed noticeably less explosive during this stretch.

Since the ASG break, he's got 8g 16p 16gp - the extra time off seemed to have helped him recover to closer to 100%.

So that's 21g 45p +27 in the 42gp where he's been "healthy" - which is a 41g 88p pace with a dominating goal differential. That'd be 11th in points per game among centers, just behind Matthews, Point, and RNH. And he's doing it while being his team's undisputed offensive leader, while those three guys are being outscored by their own teammates.

Ignoring his impact on Vegas's record and on ice results, $10M feels right for that caliber of player. He just needs to stay healthy.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

Hopefully Vegas can unload his contract to Arizona and he can find his game

 

[Connor McConnor]

Tuch is not better than Eichel lol. Yeah, he has more points playing on a loaded line.

Eichel is a dominant PPG 2 way centermen.

13g 29p in 26gp before getting injured
12g 29p in 26gp since the ASG break

Dude came back too soon from his injury, and was able to fully recover during his extended break.
25g 58p in 52gp when healthy while absolutely carrying the Knight's offense.

He's been a HUGE difference maker for them at 5v5:

With Eichel on the ice
54GF / 35GA +19 GD

Without Eichel on the ice
120GF / 120GA +0 GD

I posted this a few weeks ago to give you an idea of how important he is to Vegas:

Usually appreciate your commentary and analysis but as someone who has a team in the Pacific, calling Eichel a 2-way player is like saying McDavid should also be in selke conversation.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Usually appreciate your commentary and analysis but as someone who has a team in the Pacific, calling Eichela 2-way player is like saying McDavid should also be in selke conversation.

Probably a fair call out. I will say that while he's not a defensive stalwart, his on ice impacts have been pretty good, especially for an offensive center.