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almost the entire top half of the roster is/was injured, and the bottom half is garbage to make up for the amount of $$$$$ going to the top half. none of this should be surprising to anyone and likely has extremely little to do with Eichel or any perceived character or post surgery production issues. Its just a risky way to build a roster.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Just like all Buffalo fans claimed RoR was until he won a Cup and Conn Smythe literally the next season?
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Yeah, I'm gonna need to see some receipts for that claim.
There was one vocal idiot who's part of Buffalo sports media claiming ROR was a cancer because one time he didn't fist bump Eichel during a goal celebration (I wish I was kidding), but the fans universally loved him. Most thought he should've gotten the C instead of Eichel.
 
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I think a veteran team would notice if one guy just came in and shat up the place to the extent it costed games during a run towards the playoffs.
 
It’s a team that had great chemistry and balance, and then went out of its way to destroy it and try and get every big contract they could with no sense of roster building.

Also, complaining about injuries like stone are obnoxious for two reasons. First, they couldn’t afford stone and would be over the cap if they were healthy. They literally replaced stone with eichel. Two, they are built top heavy with huge contracts. The lack of depth and reliance on a few players is a result of their dumb roster construction
 
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tsujimoto74 said:
Yeah, I'm gonna need to see some receipts for that claim.
There was one vocal idiot who's part of Buffalo sports media claiming ROR was a cancer, but the fans universally loved him. Most thought he should've gotten the C instead of Eichel.
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Yeah, even some on the AVS-Board really liked/loved what ROR brought to the table. Although he and his dad were a pain in the ass when it came to contract-negotiations.

I, to this day, rather paid ROR and let Duchene walk. Imagine MacKinnon and ROR centering the AVS top lines....

On the other hand, the Duchene-Deal was, in my opinion, Sakic´s masterpiece.

ROR can be an idiot (like driving into Tim Hortons). but is, or at that time, was a damn good hockey player.

In my opinion Buffalo is starting to turn this mess around. And that Eichel-Deal will help down the road.
 
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Dirty Dog said:
It’s a team that had great chemistry and balance, and then went out of its way to destroy it and try and get every big contract they could with no sense of roster building.

Also, complaining about injuries like stone are obnoxious for two reasons. First, they couldn’t afford stone and would be over the cap if they were healthy. They literally replaced stone with eichel. Two, they are built too heavy with huge contracts. The lack of depth and reliance on a few players is a result of their dumb roster construction
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This. :clap:
 
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He seems to give a damn - I see him blocking shots (even hurt his hand doing it) and looking involved in his own zone. It's that to fit $10M into the cap, the team has had to play LTIR games and then there are a bunch of super-cheap filler in the lineup instead of a 2-way monster like Stone or a dangerous scorer like Pacioretty. Seems like the problem is the GM trying to buy the pieces needed to satisfy ownership's Cup in five year directive.
 
Absolutely not.
There is no one problem. But it starts with management.
•Bad coach.
•Bad assistant coach.
•Injury prone flake in net. Lehner could not win four rounds in his dreams.Routed again last night. The backnup is more reliable . Yet they dump Fluery to go with Lehner?? That is GM / Coaching blunder. •Losing their captain and best offensive player.
•Plus other injuries.

Those are all "problems"

Having Eichel is not a problem . Matter of fact he may be the only good thing to happen to this team all year.
 
PaulD said:
Absolutely not.
There is no one problem. But it starts with management.
•Bad coach.
•Bad assistant coach.
•Injury prone flake in net. Lehner could not win four rounds in his dreams.Routed again last night. The backnup is more reliable . Yet they dump Fluery to go with Lehner?? That is GM / Coaching blunder. •Losing their captain and best offensive player.
•Plus other injuries.

Those are all "problems"

Having Eichel is not a problem . Matter of fact he may be the only good thing to happen to this team all year.
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nbwingsfan said:
Just like all Buffalo fans claimed RoR was until he won a Cup and Conn Smythe literally the next season?
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As posted above, I don't recall anyone saying ROR was a cancer during his tenure in Buffalo. Sure, you had a select few malcontents that may have bad-mouthed him out the door, especially after his end-season comments. While he was in Buffalo though, he was fairly universally loved by fans.

Meanwhile, there has always been a group of fans that were concerned about Eichel's attitude. Most people largely tried to gloss over it because they desperately wanted him to be successful and a solid captain, but he has always shown his colors on the ice with his body-language. The anecdotes about his off-ice behavior with teammates and staff have been trickling out for years. It was the world's worst-kept secret.

Again, Sabres fans just wanted it to work so they attributed these things to immaturity and hoped he would turn it around. He didn't and the rest is well-documented. None of that applies to ROR, so I think you need to revisit your history before trying to disparage Sabres fans.
 
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It's all been downhill since that interview Eichel did when they lost to Buffalo. Eichel just needs to be traded to Colorado then he'll make the playoffs.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
Yeah, I'm gonna need to see some receipts for that claim.
There was one vocal idiot who's part of Buffalo sports media claiming ROR was a cancer because one time he didn't fist bump Eichel during a goal celebration (I wish I was kidding), but the fans universally loved him. Most thought he should've gotten the C instead of Eichel.
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There was quite the reaction on this board, and Buffalo sports media, when RoR had his end of season statements in 2018 about "losing his love for the game".

If we had a poll from ~May 2018 I'd be willing to bet a majority of Sabres fans wanted to trade him and that many viewed him as a locker room problem (between those comments, the Tim Hortons drunken escapades, and all the losing).
 
I got the feeling in Buffalo that the players looked to Eichel to do everything so while he racked up a ton of points, the team played like crap. I seem to recall that when he was out injured last season, the team actually played a more cohesive game. The roster was still trash but there was more strategy than just Eichel's line and 3 other lines to put out there while he was resting.

Vegas has a lot of other variables right now, but they need to consider chemistry.
 
Eichel isn't the problem.. the decision from management to acquire Eichel and put themselves in the cap situation they have for a player who can't, ultimately, replace Stone is the problem. It would be awesome to have Stone/Eichel in the playoffs, but you have to make them first and locking yourself out of your best player when you need him seems pretty foolish.
 
Buff15Sabres said:
If we had a poll from ~May 2018 I'd be willing to bet a majority of Sabres fans wanted to trade him and that many viewed him as a locker room problem (between those comments, the Tim Hortons drunken escapades, and all the losing).
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I'm 90% sure we had that poll on HFSabres, and the VAST majority wanted to keep him. Yeah, of course you get those 2 or 3 super vocal ones that had this opinion.......but other than that....HFSabres wanted to keep ROR and eviscerated Botterill and Pegula when he was traded.


As far as the Eichel thing goes -- I don't think Eichel is the problem out there. I think the problem out there is poor coaching combined with not-so-good goaltending and they don't exactly have their first choice lineup out there.

Next year is going to be interesting to see. As said above, their roster is stupidly top-heavy with Eichel, Stone, Patches, Petro, et al. There is going to be some wheeling and dealing needed. It's gonna be very interesting to see what their 2nd and 3rd lines are next year.
 
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I dont think its Eichel's fault, but insanely poor cap management. They have been buying good players and now have no cheap young depth coming up. Now they got injuries and no cap space.
 
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No its not.
I think their cup runneth over and they're paying for coldheartedly cutting Fleury among others. The goaltending depth specifically with Fleury - Lehner was part of what made them an insane team last year (when Fleury won the Vezina).
 
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Dirty Dog said:
It’s a team that had great chemistry and balance, and then went out of its way to destroy it and try and get every big contract they could with no sense of roster building.

Also, complaining about injuries like stone are obnoxious for two reasons. First, they couldn’t afford stone and would be over the cap if they were healthy. They literally replaced stone with eichel. Two, they are built top heavy with huge contracts. The lack of depth and reliance on a few players is a result of their dumb roster construction
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Losing Fleury, Tuch, Nosek, Reaves is hard to swallow.
 
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Zirakzigil said:
I dont think its Eichel's fault, but insanely poor cap management. They have been buying good players and now have no cheap young depth coming up. Now they got injuries and no cap space.
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Cap management issues, the coaching decisions and even who their tenders are all point squarely at the GM. He made the mess, even if it was following the instructions of ownership, that has them playing LTIR shuffle and forced into using callups. The GM should be shouldering their record and problems.
 
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