Is Steve Yzerman an above average GM?

[Pavels Dog]

This thread will be fun to look back on if Detroit's team shooting percentage drops from 23%

Haters will say it would have been better if they had won 1-0 and 3-2 instead of 4-0 and 6-2.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Haters will say it would have been better if they had won 1-0 and 3-2 instead of 4-0 and 6-2.

Nah, but I think some might think this sudden influx of RW chest pumping is a bit premature.

I am Sens hater #1 but they scare me in that I think their record is sustainable, while I think Detroit will regress to a middle pack team as the metrics predict.

 

[NyQuil]

Honestly, I am just playing. This place is ALWAYS the most fun when a team that's been shit on for years has a hot start or a streak. Remember all the Buffalo threads last year? And before this weekend, it was all about the Sens around here.

And before that, Matthews had two hat-tricks in two games and was going to score 70 goals.

It doesn't really matter what team or player it is, because the only sample we have at the beginning of the year is the one in front of us, so the hot takes are scorching.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

And before that, Matthews had two hat-tricks in two games and was going to score 70 goals.

It doesn't really matter what team or player it is, because the only sample we have at the beginning of the year is the one in front of us, so the hot takes are scorching.

The funny thing about this post is that I commented in the hype thread that this was going to be fodder for some random Leaf haters in 2 weeks, and sure enough, it didn't even take 2 weeks for it to be brought back up (as if it wasn't a "neutral fan" who made the poll). It's all quite predictable. At least own your biases, we all have em.

 

[NyQuil]

The funny thing about this post is that I commented in the hype thread that this was going to be fodder for some random Leaf haters in 2 weeks, and sure enough, it didn't even take 2 weeks for it to be brought back up (as if it wasn't a "neutral fan" who made the poll). It's all quite predictable. At least own your biases, we all have em.

You seem to imply that chest thumping is excluded to shit on teams that are doing well when that isn't the case.

Everyone is guilty of it, especially at the beginning of the season.

I'm agreeing with you and you're upset for some reason.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Well, it’s a small sample size, but I’m changing my vote to Yes. I mean an above average GM is a pretty low bar and his resume in Tampa alone clearly makes him above average. Detroit looks like a team on the rise based on the eye test as well.

 

[izlez]

I am not some "metrics are everything type", but I do think the above metrics do a decent job at predicting the top teams - Carolina, Colorado, NJ, Boston are all usually top 5 teams by seasons end in those metrics.

I've been a bit confused how NJ is getting SO much hype this year, but now we're just acting like they've been a juggernaut for years and years? Seems like if they have in fact "usually" been top 5 in those stats, that would refute your own argument.

 

[notbias]

And before that, Matthews had two hat-tricks in two games and was going to score 70 goals.

It doesn't really matter what team or player it is, because the only sample we have at the beginning of the year is the one in front of us, so the hot takes are scorching.

He is 4% above his average shooting % and on pace for 98 goals...

Not really the same.

 

[cjeagle]

I am impressed by the team's depth. All 4 lines are rolling and that is directly attributable to Yzerman's signings.

And unlike other contenders we have the salary cap to improve our team even further as well as call up some of our exceptional young talent from GR if they are deemed worthy by Stevie.

If we continue to be competitive all the way to the TDL, I trust Yzerman's judgement to make the right moves to help us contend in the playoffs.

 

[NyQuil]

He is 4% above his average shooting % and on pace for 98 goals...

Not really the same.

Well, he hasn't scored a goal in 3 games. We'll see what happens with that pace.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Mid team is hot in october.

Never seen this before.

 

[notbias]

Well, he hasn't scored a goal in 3 games. We'll see what happens with that pace.

I also don't think he will shoot 500 shots this year or keep that pace... but he is close to a sustainable pace if he keeps shooting 6 shots a game.

 

[WF19]

He's lookin pretty good right now. Seeing as its finally a team he built. Some prospects are finally over in GR trying to get some time with the big club, meanwhile they're the highest scoring team which comes from the ability to have 4 scoring lines which they finally have.

The team is deep, prospect pool is deep and has to be the best managed cap in the league with no ridiculous contracts. Sure ppl will say Holl or Chariot are bad contracts but every contract on the roster is movable.

Take Edmonton for example, they have 18 players and can't call anyone up with McDavid out due to zero cap flexibility. Classic Holland and that's what Yzerman had to clean up before we got to this team.

 

[wmupreds]

They're shooting over 15% as a team. The best team s% in the league was the oilers last year, a team with elite finishers, and they were under 12%. I'll wait and see lol

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

You seem to imply that chest thumping is excluded to shit on teams that are doing well when that isn't the case.

Everyone is guilty of it, especially at the beginning of the season.

I'm agreeing with you and you're upset for some reason.

I know what you're doing dude, it's not hard to see through the diplomatic front.

We do all chest pump, though. That's what makes sports fun, after all.

 

[Pavels Dog]

They're shooting over 15% as a team. The best team s% in the league was the oilers last year, a team with elite finishers, and they were under 12%. I'll wait and see lol

So... instead of winning 6-2 they'll win 4-2? Because that's really the extent of your analysis there.

 

[wmupreds]

So... instead of winning 6-2 they'll win 4-2? Because that's really the extent of your analysis there.

I don't think Husso/Reimer behind a mediocre (other than Seider) D corps is a .920 tandem either. So at 5.0 GF and 2.5 GA right now, if s% normalizes to say 10% that's 3GF before even touching the goals against.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[kranuck]

This mf knows what he's doing

Do not doubt the Yzerplan. He built Tampa.

Ridiculous scouting luck built Tampa.

Where are Detroit’s 50 goal center and Art Ross winning winger?

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't think Husso/Reimer behind a mediocre (other than Seider) D corps is a .920 tandem either. So at 5.0 GF and 2.5 GA right now, if s% normalizes to say 10% that's 3GF before even touching the goals against.

Thanks for playing though.

That's also extremely surface level analysis. There's nothing unsustainable about their goaltending, one could probably argue that it's just as likely that Husso will heat up than it is that he drops off.

Also still believing that they don't have any good D other than Seider feels like a take from 2 years ago.

 

[wmupreds]

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That's also extremely surface level analysis. There's nothing unsustainable about their goaltending, one could probably argue that it's just as likely that Husso will heat up than it is that he drops off.

Also still believing that they don't have any good D other than Seider feels like a take from 2 years ago.

I'm saying 15% shooting and .920 goaltending are likely to regress. That may not be deep analysis but it's certainly more compelling than making up scores that don't actually reflect reality and expecting a 5 game sample to continue all season.

 

[cjeagle]

I think Yzerman is one of the best in the league in terms of cap management. He just doesn't give out bad long term contracts and is content building thru the draft while signing short term bridge contracts to free agents.

Cup winning teams need two things - Luck and Depth. Depth comes down to management being ruthless with cap management.

Cups are won by having stars who are on team-friendly deals and surrounding those stars with tons of talent. That requires actually negotiating against young stars and making the case that they need to leave money on the table so the team can win a Cup and he has done that for the most part including with their latest signing Alex DeBrincat.

He is also the ideal negotiator when it comes to trading players where he has a reputation of obtaining good players for little return to the other team. He is notoriously tight lipped on the negotiations behind the scene and more often than not gets the better of this trade deals.

 

[kranuck]

I think Yzerman is one of the best in the league in terms of cap management. He just doesn't give out bad long term contracts and is content building thru the draft while signing short term bridge contracts to free agents.

Cup winning teams need two things - Luck and Depth. Depth comes down to management being ruthless with cap management.

Cups are won by having stars who are on team-friendly deals and surrounding those stars with tons of talent. That requires actually negotiating against young stars and making the case that they need to leave money on the table so the team can win a Cup and he has done that for the most part including with their latest signing Alex DeBrincat.

He is also the ideal negotiator when it comes to trading players where he has a reputation of obtaining good players for little return to the other team. He is notoriously tight lipped on the negotiations behind the scene and more often than not gets the better of this trade deals.

Oh please, DeBrincat wanted to go to Detroit.

 

[cjeagle]

Nice review of the Yzerplan and the Redwings chances in the Atlantic division

‘The Yzerplan’ starting to work for the Red Wings early in 2023-24 NHL season

In April of 2019, the Detroit Red Wings announced that Hall of Famer and franchise legend Steve Yzerman was re-joining the front office as general

dknetwork.draftkings.com

The article is very optimistic on the Redwings chances in the division.

"Looking at the rest of the division, the Bruins are 5-0-0 but haven’t played anyone good. The Sens are off to a good start and should be in contention. The Maple Leafs entered as the favorite and should be in the top-3 most of the season but could run into issues in net and on defense. The Lightning, Canadiens, Sabres and Panthers are all underperforming early on. Other than the Bolts, none of those teams have as good defensive forwards as Detroit.

Boston should regress. Toronto will be the top competition, but Detroit should be better or on par with Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Florida and Buffalo. It’s not crazy to think the Red Wings can win the Atlantic Division after what we’ve seen."

 

[kranuck]

Nice review of the Yzerplan and the Redwings chances in the Atlantic division

‘The Yzerplan’ starting to work for the Red Wings early in 2023-24 NHL season

In April of 2019, the Detroit Red Wings announced that Hall of Famer and franchise legend Steve Yzerman was re-joining the front office as general

dknetwork.draftkings.com

The article is very optimistic on the Redwings chances in the division.

"Looking at the rest of the division, the Bruins are 5-0-0 but haven’t played anyone good. The Sens are off to a good start and should be in contention. The Maple Leafs entered as the favorite and should be in the top-3 most of the season but could run into issues in net and on defense. The Lightning, Canadiens, Sabres and Panthers are all underperforming early on. Other than the Bolts, none of those teams have as good defensive forwards as Detroit.

Boston should regress. Toronto will be the top competition, but Detroit should be better or on par with Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Florida and Buffalo. It’s not crazy to think the Red Wings can win the Atlantic Division after what we’ve seen."

Seems crazy to think they will be on par with TBL.

 

[Pavels Dog]

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I'm saying 15% shooting and .920 goaltending are likely to regress. That may not be deep analysis but it's certainly more compelling than making up scores that don't actually reflect reality and expecting a 5 game sample to continue all season.

It's not likely to regress, it's guaranteed to regress. The question isn't if Detroit's a top 5 team in the league, it's whether or not they are really as bad as people predicted them to be and if the rebuild is a failure without hope like many thought when they traded away Gustav Lindström.