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The Norris isn't just about points. Unless you think Tyson Barrie should win it this year?
Is Shea Weber a Hall of Famer?
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The Norris isn't just about points. Unless you think Tyson Barrie should win it this year?
Luigi Habs
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No Norris and no cup.
I’m surprised many think he’s surely in. I don’t know but I would like him to get in.
I’m surprised many think he’s surely in. I don’t know but I would like him to get in.
We're talking about Lidstrom here; you know full well his game wasn't about points. In any case, points do factor into Norris consideration, and a 14 point gulf between defenseman is quite substantial.
Larry Hanson
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Coin toss, he's been a dominant #1 defenceman for what seems like forever. I'd vote him in.
b in vancouver
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I like Weber. Have no problem if he gets in. But it's also a numbers game and really depends on who is eligible as I focus on the competition.
There's at least 12-15 players in that 29-35 age group that are easily ahead of him. Then he's somewhere in a group of another 15-20 guys.
There's simply a bunch of excellent players in that age group and if you kinda average it to 3 a year - There's going to be a few great players that have to wait or on the outside looking in.
Feel like he's someone that might get in after a long time of waiting. Borderline type.
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If he wins a cup it'll secure him being a first-ballot HHOFer.
I think Fredrik Modin should still get in as I firmly believe if you're part of the triple-gold club that should automatically get you consideration.
I think Fredrik Modin should still get in as I firmly believe if you're part of the triple-gold club that should automatically get you consideration.
Captain97
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People forget it isn't the NHL hall of fame. It's the hockey Hall of fame and his international record is absolutely outstanding.
orby
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Yes, I would think Weber gets into the HHOF. Might not be on the first ballot but he's had a stellar career.
Due to parity, there hasn't been many if any super-elite guys on super stacked teams like in the 90's.
It's why we're seeing so many questionable admissions into the HHOF each year.
Another way to think of it:
Think of the 30-40 best players since the 06 lockout till now.
Name all 40. And see if you omit Shea Weber.
It's why we're seeing so many questionable admissions into the HHOF each year.
Another way to think of it:
Think of the 30-40 best players since the 06 lockout till now.
Name all 40. And see if you omit Shea Weber.
Only one person can win the Norris each year and he spent his prime on a team with anemic offense.
He's one of the best defenseman of his era and was a top 5 defenseman for about a decade. He'll get in.
He's closer to having two Norris wins than a lot of people realize considering how many have him not in in this thread.
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Give him a break, that trike injury was just brutal. TWO f***ing booboos AND an owie, and no one took him out for ice cream afterwards!
TheMoreYouKnow
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I think he's in, but it's not a clear-cut thing necessarily. He was considered one of the top 5 D-men in the league for a decent stretch of years, so that probably puts him in, but there's no playoff success, no Norris trophy, no great team he's associated with to say it's beyond all doubt, sure thing, 1st ballot.
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kevin hatcher is not in the hhof at 1150 games, 677 points, being a 5 time allstar and being american. derian hatcher won a cup as the team captain of dallas and he's not in either.
so being big and durable with a big shot alone will not get you in. weber might get there is he plays a lot more games and/or wins a cup. not sure of the exact formula.
so being big and durable with a big shot alone will not get you in. weber might get there is he plays a lot more games and/or wins a cup. not sure of the exact formula.
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4x all star makes him a lock
There’s only one Norris winner every year, and only one team can win the cup, so you can’t really hold that against him. He was one of the very best defensemen in the league for around a decade. That’s HOF worthy.
There’s only one Norris winner every year, and only one team can win the cup, so you can’t really hold that against him. He was one of the very best defensemen in the league for around a decade. That’s HOF worthy.
Lafleurs Guy
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Hatcher has three x top ten in Norris voting. Only once in top five.
Night and day between him and Weber.
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sure, absolutely. those unsuccessful norris votes will make all the difference.
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Weztex
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Kevin Hatcher is a 0 time all star. But he's sure American. You got that right.
Yeah, how could anybody ever know that Weber was about 2 votes away of winning 2 Norris since all information about non Norris winners is probably permanently burned in acid. If only people knew that he was voted as a top-5 d-man 5 times. Brad Park sure will be disappointed when he learns that his level of play didn't make any difference after all.
Completrly different levels of players. Kevin was poor defensively and Derian wasn't anywhere near Weber offensively.
