Is Shane Pinto a good comparison for Nate Danielson?

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'm really not understanding where people are projecting all of this offence from. In Lundell's D+1 season he put up a near PPG season in Liiga which is a notch or two below the AHL but is a pro league. in Danielson's D+2 he put up just under 0.5 PPG in the AHL.

Liiga is probably the 6th best league now.

NHL
SHL/AHL
KHL
NL

Shorter schedule, easier travel, less physical, better looking puck bunnies. Playing in Liiga isn't as hard as the AHL.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Liiga is probably the 6th best league now.

NHL
SHL/AHL
KHL
NL

Shorter schedule, easier travel, less physical, better looking puck bunnies. Playing in Liiga isn't as hard as the AHL.

Sure, but in Lundell's D+2 he put up 0.67 PPG in the NHL. Danielson put up 0.5 PPG in the AHL. To state that he's Lundell with more offense is extremely optimistic. Lundell just put up 18 pts in 23 playoff games and had 17 in 24 last year in their back to back cup wins. He's one of Florida's best players and shuts down guys like nobody's business after Barkov.

For more context - Lundell had 39 even strength + shorthanded points this year. That is equal to Lucas Raymond in 3 less minutes of ice time per night. Lundell with more offence is essentially Alex Barkov...Danielson doesn't have anywhere close to that potential. If Danielson becomes Lundell that's a best-case scenario given his current trajectory lol.

The only reason he's not on the 1st or 2nd line is because Florida is ridiculously stacked and is therefore the best playoff team of the last 15-20 years.

 

[SirKillalot]

Maybe like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, just not as high point production like he has had in some seasons. He has 7 seasons above 50 points, some very high.
But he if he can get somewhere around 50+ points for similar amount of years and be a top shutdown centerman in his prime and maybe a bit after that would be great.

 

[schuelma24]

This is unfair IMO given Kasper got much better as the season went on, and started the year recovering from a broken kneecap. He put up 7 pts in 9 playoff games and was a key offensive player for GR near the end of his stint there. Danielson, while promising, has not had the same trajectory whatsoever.

Kasper was definitely better as the season went on and had a good playoff run, but I think you’re exaggerating how good he was. He still finished under a half point per game for the year (below Danielson). And his line mates were Burgers and Mazur and he had Ed and Aljo breaking him out.

Also you keep saying Danielson was below a half point per game last year.. that’s not true.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I'm really not understanding where people are projecting all of this offence from. In Lundell's D+1 season he put up a near PPG season in Liiga which is a notch or two below the AHL but is a pro league. in Danielson's D+2 he put up just under 0.5 PPG in the AHL.

Lundell is hardly an offensive dynamo in the NHL, despite being on a really good team, he has yet to put up even a 50 pt season.

I think Nate can be a consistent 50 pt player.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Sure, but in Lundell's D+2 he put up 0.67 PPG in the NHL. Danielson put up below 0.5 PPG in the AHL. To state that he's Lundell with more offense is extremely optimistic. Lundell just put up 18 pts in 23 playoff games and had 17 in 24 last year in their back to back cup wins. He's one of Florida's best players and shuts down guys like nobody's business after Barkov.

For more context - Lundell had 39 even strength + shorthanded points this year. That is equal to Lucas Raymond in 3 less minutes of ice time per night. Lundell with more offence is essentially Alex Barkov...Danielson doesn't have anywhere close to that potential. If Danielson becomes Lundell that's a best-case scenario given his current trajectory lol.

The only reason he's not on the 1st or 2nd line is because Florida is ridiculously stacked and is therefore the best playoff team of the last 15-20 years.

Ok.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Kasper was definitely better as the season went on and had a good playoff run, but I think you’re exaggerating how good he was. He still finished under a half point per game for the year (below Danielson). And his line mates were Burgers and Mazur and he had Ed and Aljo breaking him out.

Also you keep saying Danielson was below a half point per game last year.. that’s not true.

Kasper started out the year as the 3/4C in grand rapids playing with no training camp, having just recovered from a fractured kneecap.

From January onward he was Grand Rapid's best forward in 2024 on any given night. Anyone who watched the Griffins will tell you that as well.

Also, it wasn't Ed and AlJo breaking him out. It was Kasper breaking out Mazur and Berggren. Watch the griffins.

 

[Winger98]

to go slightly off topic, I am wondering if we at some point see Pinto moved into the 2C spot when ottawa starts having the same issues with Cozens and want to try moving him to wing.

 

[schuelma24]

Kasper started out the year as the 3/4C in grand rapids playing with no training camp, having just recovered from a fractured kneecap.

From January onward he was Grand Rapid's best forward in 2024 on any given night. Anyone who watched the Griffins will tell you that as well.

Also, it wasn't Ed and AlJo breaking him out. It was Kasper breaking out Mazur and Berggren. Watch the griffins.

I mean.. I did. A lot. And I'm not trying to disparage Kasper. But he wasn't a PPG player the second half or anything, and I maintain he had a much better team around him than Danielson had.

I guess my overall point is this, as someone who watched them both a lot - on the eye test, I thought Danielson was every bit as good as Kasper was the 2nd half of Kasper's year. But he had Sheldon Dries and Austin Watson on his wings and a shitshow behind him.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I think we stand a good chance of getting out of Nate what we put into him. If we stick him at 3C with a a couple of defensive 30 point wings, we'll get a defensive, 30point center who makes the most of the players around him. We put him on a scoring line, either at wing or at center, and I think we get a defensively responsible forward who puts up 50 points or better.

Unless he gets a bit more selfish and a bit more assertive. If he goes that route, I think we're hitting a home run on him and that's where the talk of just shifting Larkin to wing gets serious.

Him forcing Larkin to his left wing means we are a good team. In this scenario my dream top six is happening in 3 years

Larkin - Danielson - Raymond
Buchelnikov - Kasper - MBN

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Him forcing Larkin to his left wing means we are a good team. In this scenario my dream top six is happening in 3 years

Larkin - Danielson - Raymond
Buchelnikov - Kasper - MBN

Where does Marner fit in?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Where does Marner fit in?

Well Vegas might be moving him for something new at that point…

I think if he maxes out Ryan Kesler. Kesler was a better playmaker than goal scorer outside of his 40 goal season. I don’t think he is quite as chippy but the hacking and whacking goes up as you get established in the league.

What makes this comparison for me, he is seemingly never on the wrong side of the puck as a young player. So his base is impressive to go along with great puck transportation speed. Keep developing those other areas and if he finds the right linemates he can take off as the industrious stabilizer on the line that constantly pressures and pushes like Kesler.

Low end would seem to be a speedy #3C, like Ryan McLeod if it is bad...

This is unfair IMO given Kasper got much better as the season went on, and started the year recovering from a broken kneecap. He put up 7 pts in 9 playoff games and was a key offensive player for GR near the end of his stint there. Danielson, while promising, has not had the same trajectory whatsoever.

Kasper played on a better AHL team that scored a lot more too.

People giving up on the GR kids over a three game playoff ouster are confusing me.

The Woodward Sports guys are using that for their entire assessment on those players, so not just here but have found the abandon ship on Danielson and Cossa because of 3 games a bit much. Both could have had better ends to the year, both shouldn't be treated with the sky is falling attitudes I have seen at times both here and around other Red Wings talk.

 

[19 for president]

This is unfair IMO given Kasper got much better as the season went on, and started the year recovering from a broken kneecap. He put up 7 pts in 9 playoff games and was a key offensive player for GR near the end of his stint there. Danielson, while promising, has not had the same trajectory whatsoever.

You can also argue Kasper had a lot better team to help him in GR than Danielson did as well. Massive difference between a Ed/Aljo anchored defense and what we had last year. Not to mention having a guy like Bergeron dominating the league.

I think you can make a lot of arguments in either favor. One played in a man's league prior to the AHL, the other didn't have to adjust to NA ice. One was more consistent over the whole year while the other got better as the season went on.

I don't think either guy was amazing at the AHL level. Time will tell if Danielson can have a similar impact at the NHL level that Kasper did, and if Kasper can do it again for that matter.

 

[SantosHalper]

In Lundell's D+1 season he put up a near PPG season in Liiga which is a notch or two below the AHL but is a pro league. in Danielson's D+2 he put up just under 0.5 PPG in the AHL.

Lundell played 2 season in Liiga before he was drafted. This was Danielson's 1st pro year, jump fom the junior league is big. Never the less, Danielson was one of the few players in GR whom actually made difference on ice. Stat comparing between them doesn't work, entirely two different starting points.

 

[Frk It]

What about the season Cirelli just had for Tampa? I could maybe see him being something like that down the line.

But it is hard for me to say right now, I can see multiple outcomes for this player still.

I can guarantee you if he produces better in the AHL next year a lot of these predictions will change. As I said in Ogee's thread, this is a very fluid situation still IMO.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'd like to think Pinto is Danielson's floor but maybe its a reasonable comparison.

The floor for Danielson is definitely lower than a 20/40pts guy

 

[newfy]

This is unfair IMO given Kasper got much better as the season went on, and started the year recovering from a broken kneecap. He put up 7 pts in 9 playoff games and was a key offensive player for GR near the end of his stint there. Danielson, while promising, has not had the same trajectory whatsoever.

Kasper had a great playoff for sure but everyone talks about how awesome Kasper did the second half of the year and exaggerates it big time.

At the end of the day, in his first year pro, on a significantly worse Grand Rapids team, Danielson outproduced Kasper. How that translates to the NHL? We'll see because we know Kasper translated pretty good right off the bat when he got playing time. But right now Danielson has every bit as much offense that Kasper showed in the AHL.

Before Kaspers awesome playoff, he also had no points and a -3 in 4 games, and only 4 points his last 11 games as well. Kasper does a lot besides scoring for sure, but so does Danielson. Danielson also didnt have near the supporting cast to set up that Kasper did

 

[Euro Twins]

Him forcing Larkin to his left wing means we are a good team. In this scenario my dream top six is happening in 3 years

Larkin - Danielson - Raymond
Buchelnikov - Kasper - MBN

I am not convinced Danielson will be more than a 2c

 

[RabidBadger]

I'm sticking with my Jordan Staal comp. Plenty of motor, produces under the radar offense (I could see Danielson getting some key shorthanded points) and does the little things well that translates to good things happening on the ice.

If he becomes Pinto the sequel then we have a solid 3C.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I am not convinced Danielson will be more than a 2c

More of a balancing act than a Line 1 and Line 2. I think Kasper would eat the tougher D matchup and Danielson would play more of an offensive role in terms of how those lines were setup.

 

[rangersblues]

I am not convinced Danielson will be more than a 2c

I would be ecstatic if Danielson became a #2 C on a competitive team.

 

[Retire91]

Somewhere between Bo Horvat / Phillip Danault - ish wouldn't be bad with the potential to exceed.