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Is Shane Pinto a good comparison for Nate Danielson?

Is Shane Pinto a good comparison for Nate Danielson?

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Pinto is Ottawa's third line center. Currently 24 years old. 6'3", 200 lbs. Was used heavily as a defensive center last year who still put up decent offensive stats.

Game state:
Plays 1,100 mins / 80 games
Roughly 80 mins 5v4 / 80 games
Big increase in PK mins (140) last season

Production:
20ish goals, 15ish assists per 80 game season
5v5: 1g, 0.8a per 60 mins

Usage:
32% oZS this past season

I can see them getting similar usage, e.g. 3rd line, tilting more towards checking line/d-zone heavy on the starts and a good chunk of PK time. Nate may be more of an assist / set up guy, whereas Pinto is maybe more of a scorer.

Danielson can fulfill this role as a defensive center - recall the Connor Bedard quote - and I think the offensive production could be equivalent with Nate being more a 12-15 goal guy with 20ish assists.
 
Is Shanahanman a good comparison for Run the Juwels? Both have an agenda when they are posting.

You fail to provide any justification for comparison, just throwing out some random numbers. Why Shane Pinto and not Patrice Bergeron? Draper? Tyler Motte? I bet they also can be compared based on projection
 
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Nate Danielson going to be more than a 35 point player in the NHL, so no.


Can we just stipulate as a board that the Wings NA scouting sucks so we can move on?
 
DoMakc said:
Is Shanahanman a good comparison for Run the Juwels? Both have an agenda when they are posting.

You fail to provide any justification for comparison, just throwing out some random numbers. Why Shane Pinto and not Patrice Bergeron? Draper? Tyler Motte? I bet they also can be compared based on projection
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Not sure what agenda you are talking about. I have a viewpoint and I use easily accessible data to make my case. I use direct quotes from the organization regarding what they liked about Danielson as a prospect.

Disagree with me, I have zero problem with that, but please don't whine about my opinions. Provide a comp you think is accurate! Make the case with accessible data.

It's a hockey message board, not sure why you are getting upset about us discussing Red Wings prospects on a Red Wings subforum.
 
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schuelma24 said:
Nate Danielson going to be more than a 35 point player in the NHL, so no.


Can we just stipulate as a board that the Wings NA scouting sucks so we can move on?
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Hey, why not create a comp for a player and position you think is a reasonable expectation? I have Danielson as my 4th rated prospect because I think he will be a Selke caliber center. Pinto was used to check Matthews and Tavares as a defensive pivot. Our own scouts asked Connor Bedard who was the toughest player to go against and he said Nate.

Disagree? Fantastic. Give us your opinion.
 
Run the Jewels said:
Hey, why not create a comp for a player and position you think is a reasonable expectation? I have Danielson as my 4th rated prospect because I think he will be a Selke caliber center. Pinto was used to check Matthews and Tavares as a defensive pivot. Our own scouts asked Connor Bedard who was the toughest player to go against and he said Nate.

Disagree? Fantastic. Give us your opinion.
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I’m think he compares very favorably to Kasper in his development. A bit less jam, but responsible defensively and I’d argue more of a playmaker. And Kasper scored 37 points as a 19 year old.
 
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SirloinUB said:
I'd like to think Pinto is Danielson's floor but maybe its a reasonable comparison.
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That's about where I'm at. I'll be really disappointed if that's what Danielson turns into. Until he produces in the NHL, I won't be entirely confident that he will... But I think 45-55 points is a much more reasonable projection. In fact I'd sooner bet on Danielson getting 65 points than ending up like Pinto. Still as a worst case scenario, I can see it.
 
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Run the Jewels said:
Not sure what agenda you are talking about. I have a viewpoint and I use easily accessible data to make my case. I use direct quotes from the organization regarding what they liked about Danielson as a prospect.

Disagree with me, I have zero problem with that, but please don't whine about my opinions. Provide a comp you think is accurate! Make the case with accessible data.

It's a hockey message board, not sure why you are getting upset about us discussing Red Wings prospects on a Red Wings subforum.
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In order to disagree with something, you need to provide some argumets, which you failed to do. I see no points in disagreeing with your beliefs, since it is impossible to prove them wrong at this point. As for message boards thing, you are free to state your opinion that N/A scouting sucks, i bet everybody got the point already. The one thing i will never understand how some posters are ready to cheer against Red Wing players/prospects just to win some arguments, but maybe it is just me.
 
DoMakc said:
In order to disagree with something, you need to provide some argumets, which you failed to do. I see no points in disagreeing with your beliefs, since it is impossible to prove them wrong at this point. As for message boards thing, you are free to state your opinion that N/A scouting sucks, i bet everybody got the point already. The one thing i will never understand how some posters are ready to cheer against Red Wing players/prospects just to win some arguments, but maybe it is just me.
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The only thing I've said to reference our NA scouts in this thread is the fact they liked what Connor Bedard had to say about Nate's defensive play. I have used to that to suggest that perhaps Nate will be used in that role in the NHL.

I gave it a try, but this is obviously going nowhere.
 
Our Lady Peace said:
Players comparisons are not really apt but if you put a gun to my head I would say Patrice Bergeron... Stylistically. If Danielson gives us 60 points and elite defense then we've got a heck of a center to rotate between Kasper
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Agree on the defensive comp for sure. I don't think Nate has that amount of offensive production in his game but would love to be proven wrong.
 
Run the Jewels said:
Agree on the defensive comp for sure. I don't think Nate has that amount of offensive production in his game but would love to be proven wrong.
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I hesitate to guess more than 50-55 points a year, but in preseason I'd love to see him play with Debrincat. Getting a real trigger man to go with his passing would be fun to watch.
 
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DoMakc said:
Is Shanahanman a good comparison for Run the Juwels? Both have an agenda when they are posting.

You fail to provide any justification for comparison, just throwing out some random numbers. Why Shane Pinto and not Patrice Bergeron? Draper? Tyler Motte? I bet they also can be compared based on projection
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Thank you, great post.
 
Not sure why this comparison is being made.

Also not sure why people are getting so offended.
Pinto has already been a decent 2 way player in the NHL for several years and has two 20 goal campaigns to his name at the age of 24. (Despite being suspended for a season)

We had four players score 20 goal last season…
 
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I think we stand a good chance of getting out of Nate what we put into him. If we stick him at 3C with a a couple of defensive 30 point wings, we'll get a defensive, 30point center who makes the most of the players around him. We put him on a scoring line, either at wing or at center, and I think we get a defensively responsible forward who puts up 50 points or better.

Unless he gets a bit more selfish and a bit more assertive. If he goes that route, I think we're hitting a home run on him and that's where the talk of just shifting Larkin to wing gets serious.
 
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Holden Caufield said:
Not sure why this comparison is being made.

Also not sure why people are getting so offended.
Pinto has already been a decent 2 way player in the NHL for several years and has two 20 goal campaigns to his name at the age of 24. (Despite being suspended for a season)

We had four players score 20 goal last season…
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Good post. I’ve also posted a poll on whether we’d like to see Nate in Detroit this upcoming season as a 3C or continue to play a bigger role in GR. Opinion seemed pretty split.

I should have anticipated this poll upsetting the usual suspects, but I’ve enjoyed the responses from those who took the time to give thoughtful replies.
 
Stylistically (NOT PRODUCTION) Mike Modano comes to mind. Great skating, speed, just very fluid. I find Danielson to be very elegant, when he carries the puck. In addition to that, his smarts will allow him to tilt the ice and be a zone entry machine, along with very good defensive awareness.

Next thing I'd like to see from him is more shots. It is wicked, but he uses too rarely. When Danny comes back to the bench I want Watson to slap him, every time Danny had the puck in the o-zone and did not fire.
 
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RED WINGS STOMP said:
Anton Lundell with more offense, which every team in the league would love to have right now.
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I'm really not understanding where people are projecting all of this offence from. In Lundell's D+1 season he put up a near PPG season in Liiga which is a notch or two below the AHL but is a pro league. in Danielson's D+2 he put up just under 0.5 PPG in the AHL.
 
schuelma24 said:
I’m think he compares very favorably to Kasper in his development. A bit less jam, but responsible defensively and I’d argue more of a playmaker. And Kasper scored 37 points as a 19 year old.
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This is unfair IMO given Kasper got much better as the season went on, and started the year recovering from a broken kneecap. He put up 7 pts in 9 playoff games and was a key offensive player for GR near the end of his stint there. Danielson, while promising, has not had the same trajectory whatsoever.
 
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