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Is Seth Jones A Locker Room Cancer?

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TLEH said:
I was catching up on 32 thoughts. I wasn’t aware that Seth had a meeting in CBJ, along with some other veterans, like Atkinson, and they said to the GM that if they wanted to win in CBJ, Merzlikins and Laine had to go.

Then both Seth and Cam were traded lol
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Look how that has worked out for CBJ.

Organization has been trash for 25 years.
 
Never heard a bad thing about him from a character perspective. I don’t think guys in locker room worry too much about things like what a player was traded for or someone else’s contract. There’s a lot of players on the team close to him in age and they likely just view him as a player that was always one of the top players in that age bracket and has a good pedigree of ASGs and stuff. Amongst all the 30-somethings on the team he’s likely viewed as a guy who helps more than one who hurts. The young guys may have a slightly different perspective as they’re thinking of themselves and the other young/Rockford guys as the future.
 
He isn’t a cancer and most nights last season he was our best player. He’s been hot/cold this year, to be sure. But calling him a “cancer” is completely meritless.
 
Geoist said:
I used to give Jones the benefit of the doubt. I never liked how he presented himself on camera/in interviews. He always seemed disinterested and bored. However, as an introvert I understand that one could be different around others compared to the spotlight. But now that his play has clearly regressed, none of this can be ignored anymore. There just seem to be a lot of clues that he is not the leader we'd want him to be on this team. Why don't they play him with Vlasic anymore? Instead they are pairing him with... Brodie and Allan?? Also, I know I'm not the only one who notices Jones' reluctance to pass to Bedard. I seriously wonder if he's bitter about never being considered for the captaincy... which also makes me wonder about his relationship with Foligno.

I know this is mostly speculation. But just can't help but wonder.
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Wait a minute - you think Jones is "reluctant" to pass the puck to Berard?
 
Pez68 said:
Nah. The team clearly plays differently with him in the lineup.
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That has nothing to do with him being a "cancer". People throw smear campaigning labels so effortlessly around here. Until you show stories about him sleeping with peoples wives, bullying and harassing people and being an awful human being, maybe we need to tone down the cancer talk.
 
stahl said:
That has nothing to do with him being a "cancer". People throw smear campaigning labels so effortlessly around here. Until you show stories about him sleeping with peoples wives, bullying and harassing people and being an awful human being, maybe we need to tone down the cancer talk.
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Making the team worse whenever you step on the ice absolutely counts as being a cancer.
 
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TheFridge said:
"Critical thoughts"? My guy, we are not even 3 full years into the rebuild at this point. The overwhelming majority of players drafted haven't played a game for CHI, much less are old enough or experienced enough to be making impacts on the roster. You can talk about the plan working or not working in 3-4 more years.
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"the plan" already changed. That's a good thing. Plan A1 was not good they made 2 major shifts that don't match were they were headed with the rebuild.

It's pretty clear that implementing a refined "the plan" or this new one wasn't scripted or this year wouldn't be such a trainwreck they can't adjust out of. The good news is he showed he can learn unlike, say, a Tallon type.

Make no mistake, they already made a hard pivot off of the initial "the plan" because so many things were broke and made unnecessarily more challenging for the next 3 years because of the first 2 years. It came up to them and started slapping them in the face before Christmas last year.

I'm happy they/he saw it and changed direction, even if this year is a dumpster fire.
 
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hockeydoug said:
"the plan" already changed. That's a good thing. Plan A1 was not good they made 2 major shifts that don't match were they were headed with the rebuild.

It's pretty clear that implementing a refined "the plan" or this new one wasn't scripted or this year wouldn't be such a trainwreck they can't adjust out of. The good news is he showed he can learn unlike, say, a Tallon type.

Make no mistake, they already made a hard pivot off of the initial "the plan" because so many things were broke and made unnecessarily more challenging for the next 3 years because of the first 2 years. It came up to them and started slapping them in the face before Christmas last year.

I'm happy they/he saw it and changed direction, even if this year is a dumpster fire.
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The planning of building through the draft has experienced two major shifts? What were they? Bringing in more NHL talent? They had almost none on their roster last year and then they brought in all these guys and they're still bad because they were always going to be bad. Anyone with a brain and eyes could see CHI was always going to be a bottom-5/6/7 team this year, even if things had gone well.
 
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TheFridge said:
The planning of building through the draft has experienced two major shifts? What were they? Bringing in more NHL talent? They had almost none on their roster last year and then they brought in all these guys and they're still bad because they were always going to be bad. Anyone with a brain and eyes could see CHI was always going to be a bottom-5/6/7 team this year, even if things had gone well.
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He added 5 more mostly redundant actual NHL depth players (not just the main two) compared to the previous years and instead of trying to keep them all, he showed it was better to just lose guys on waivers rather than have to pick them up on waivers. It was combined with a focus to maximize AAV to use in trade midseason year 1 and 2. It didn't work out very well. They're under 5 right now and no gm plans to waive their own contract like AA. The cap is hardly restrictive but he made a major change in managing the contracts, almost polar opposite of the previous 2 years, it wasn't planned.

The other shift was the emphasis on picks. Trying to manage 10 in the first 2 rounds in 22' and 23' and 22 overall (19 forwards) was a ridiculous idea as few clubs have ever really done well when they move away from just focusing on getting a few right. Shooting down to 3 in the first 2 rounds was a major shift. I think the Greene thing scared them straight on the previous approach. I've been ranting about how wasteful in time and assets it is to have too many picks clogging up everything since this thing started.

The coaching thing (including baffling decision of hiring another rookie coach) isn't a change imo, it was just part of the learning curve for a gm who hasn't done anything yet.

The good news is he didn't wait another year to make the shifts above.

He definitely hasn't figured out how to use players like Jones to create the culture that's useful for long term development since points are out of the question for a while yet.
 
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I haven't like his game for most of his time here, but he's been worse since coming back from injury. If he can't hack it, he needs to sit until he can recover enough to not be a complete liability out there.

Pretty f***ing sad that Louis Crevier, a somewhat recent 7th rounder getting paid 775k a year, is outplaying a guy making $9.5m per. I mean, good for Louis, but absolutely atrocious for Jones.
 
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Hawkaholic said:
Not many ppl left that still think he's a #1D or even top pairing material. Now the question is, is he even top 4? Recency bias says no sir.
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He was a very frustrating #2 before his foot injury. Puts up points (and is the highly coveted RHD with size), but his lack of defense and intensity would drive any fan off the deep end.

His health will recover soon enough. Hopefully he gets a couple of good months to end this season and Davidson can convince him to waive to a handful of teams in the offseason. I'm caring less and less if we have to retain on his ass for the duration of his contract; just get what you can for him and move on.
 
I still think he can be useful as a forward..he cannot play the dman role well ...so easily loses focus...late reacting...unaware where pucks are esoecialy at his feet ..faik cto clear net front..fails to stop opps attack by losing board battlesorvnot finishing checks ..and thise bad positioning mistakes..
As for his high shot attempts from distance,..they either get blocked..or he misses the net or goalies are able to stop it..just a lousy goal scorer fron the oint...BUT as a forward you take all the defensive decision making and reads out of it.. you just let him power to the net..create chaos in the slot and hope other Hawks cash in rebounds
fron scrums at the crease and from the chaos he could create...because going straight-line forward once he builds speed, he CAN take pucks to the net if allowed and not have to worry about playmaking or scoring hinself..Just simplify everything for him..do not let him over-handle and fumble puck at the line from stationary ..he is not good at the point as a dman..do not let him try to over-pass. His function solely should be to rush the puck in a power moves to the net and to pound opps dmen if puck gets to their back bords...simplify his tasks..use the big body and power athleticism for their best possible roke for hom.. Notcas a dman.. just put him up front and let him carry puckscinas a power rusher not as sone lkaymaker/passer or shooter after he gets it in. Also...stand him at the net front a screener..

They are all fools for continuing to think he is a good dman when he stinks at that role..Why am I the only one who sees that he CAN be reclamation ...but ONLY as a power forward.At this point ,there is nothing to lose in trying this position change and role change...otherwise 38 more games plus 5 more seasons with a dman albatross.
Use him as the big freight train coming at you down the tracks hauling the cargo..shoukdvbe hard to slow doen ona straight track to the net..opps probably take tripping penalties or take themselves out of of position to try to stop the freight train..
It shouland open the ice more for the Hawks soft little forwatds ord create more chaos such that even the old fart vets on with hom get more chances at tgevopps net resulting from the chaos he coukd create.

He may not score much himself..but the
ice will open up so chances forcithers onthe Hawks would increase.

He just cannot continue as a dman and playing so many minutes in that pressure role..
Simplifyvthe gane ...make hom a power forward...period!
 
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