Is Ryan Johansen going to be a problem???

[NotWendell]

But it's somehow not as ludicrous to pass judgment based on five games, in the AHL, specificlly chosen to forward a particular narrative?

It would be if that's what was happening. We have MANY games of disappointing performance in the AHL and NHL to add to those five games.

I fear he's got some "entitlement" issues.

I was drafted #4, I'm entitled to NHL ice time.
I played great for CBJ down the stretch, I'm entitled not to have to ride the Iron Lung and play for THESE clowns again.

No evidence. Just a concern. Love for him to prove me wrong.

 

[Socks]

The sky is falling!!

It's a board of freaking Chicken Littles.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It would be if that's what was happening. We have MANY games of disappointing performance in the AHL and NHL to add to those five games.

I fear he's got some "entitlement" issues.

I was drafted #4, I'm entitled to NHL ice time.
I played great for CBJ down the stretch, I'm entitled not to have to ride the Iron Lung and play for THESE clowns again.

No evidence. Just a concern. Love for him to prove me wrong.

Nuff said.

 

[NotWendell]

Nuff said.

I never claimed it to be more than that. It's a FAN post on a DISCUSSION board, not a news report.

 

[Robert]

Considering the CBJ's past lack of success in the draft, especially in the top 2 rounds, I think I'd be OK with that.

So is this still a Howson roster if he gets traded?

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I'll speculate. Heck,if all we had to talk about were things we actually knew to be factual there wouldn't be much discussion.

I agree with Lee that its a possibility. The guy seems to have parts of Nash and parts of Filly.And they aren't all the good parts. Not sure he is ever going to be worthy of a #4 pick. The flashes have been few and far between.

Part Nash and part Filly? I'm one of the more cynical fans on this board and not even I can find anything wrong with Johan or can find many reasons to be unhappy after this season. Promoting this kind of garbage is unacceptable if you are actually a fan of this team and watched Johan play this season...IN THE NHL

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

If deal existed to trade Joey+LA's 1st round pick to Colorado for the #1 overall, I'd do it and take MacKinnon.

The CBJ don't have to hope and pray for a 1st overall pick to save the franchise. Those days are over. We were one of the better teams in the second half of the season. We're not Edmonton.

We already have very highly rated, young, first round caliber prospects ready to make an impact: Murray, Erixon, Johanson. Plus Jenner and whatever we add with the 3 first rounders. We also have a lot of solid young talent in Anisimov, Atkinson, Prout, Calvert, Bob, etc. I cannot believe fans on this board are trying to trade Murray, be disappointing with Johanson, or think the team needs some crazy miracle fantasy trade when for the first time in forever, it actually rolled 4 lines, was well coached, had great chemistry and was winning games in April.

 

[Jackets16]

are you joking?! he's 20 years old. Who cares about a 5 game Springfield stint when he was GREAT for us down the stretch? between this and the "trade Ryan Murray" talk this board is really starting to get embarassing

I agree. I can't believe we are even talking about this.

 

[Jackets16]

I think his ice time and defensive matchups during the last half of the season is about as high a compliment as you can give a 20 year old.

Exactly!

 

[NotWendell]

I agree. I can't believe we are even talking about this.

We're probably talking about it because there's a vacuum of reliable information. In these situations, you can count on concerned people to resort to speculation to fill that vacuum.

Of course, once JD, Jarmo, Joey or Portzline finally address it, I'm not promising the speculation will end!

 

[Skraut]

 

[PubOFH]

I see the bipolarness of this board has not changed since I have gone. Geeeez guys take a pill for it. I am just bringing up an article I saw for some discussion.

When I saw DD get real quiet and laugh at the mention of Ryan Johansen earlier in the season I felt that something was up with the kids attitude and that DD was not a fan of his. Johansen was playing LIGHTS OUT when DD was asked about this and he would NOT pay him one single compliment.

In the first 10-15 games Johansen sucked. The practices I saw, I keyed in on him and he looked disinterested. After he got sent down for a few games, he came back MUCH better. He was a STUD. But for some reason the coaching staff still never gave him many compliments, even in his BEST games. This clearly shows that they have SOME kind of motivation issue with him. I know he is only 20 and hopefully they are changing that.

 

[JACKETfan]

I never claimed it to be more than that. It's a FAN post on a DISCUSSION board, not a news report.

You and your low expectations.
Somebody's gonna come take your beer.

 

[JACKETfan]

I see the bipolarness of this board has not changed since I have gone. Geeeez guys take a pill for it. I am just bringing up an article I saw for some discussion.

When I saw DD get real quiet and laugh at the mention of Ryan Johansen earlier in the season I felt that something was up with the kids attitude and that DD was not a fan of his. Johansen was playing LIGHTS OUT when DD was asked about this and he would NOT pay him one single compliment.

In the first 10-15 games Johansen sucked. The practices I saw, I keyed in on him and he looked disinterested. After he got sent down for a few games, he came back MUCH better. He was a STUD. But for some reason the coaching staff still never gave him many compliments, even in his BEST games. This clearly shows that they have SOME kind of motivation issue with him. I know he is only 20 and hopefully they are changing that.

I'm not a "RyJo" Fanboy either.

...just never forgiven you for hatin' on Sergei. Wasn't his fault dumbass XGMDM paid him $6 mil.

In the same way I don't blame the Yohan for not yet living up to his draft position.

 

[blahblah]

I see the bipolarness of this board has not changed since I have gone. Geeeez guys take a pill for it. I am just bringing up an article I saw for some discussion.

Not exactly what you did. I recognize pot stirring when I see it, intentional or not. Based on the reaction from the posters, since you called us bi-polar you can't really deny that is was the effect.

At any rate, bi-polar? No I, for example, have been pretty consistent on the message with Johansen and speculation on his attitude. This is been discussed to death and, frankly, I would rather read the endless discussion on draft picks over potential player attitude problems based on speculation on body language from a player a couple of months ago. One that is no longer on the team.

You could have presented the article in another way. For example, finding a Johansen thread and bumping it with your article. Since there is no video link to reference you are just bringing up vague memories from people to feed your "question".

If you are going to drop a bomb in the middle of the room, don't feign shock in the event of mass panic.

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

If there is truly a problem, the org will take care of it.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I know he is only 20 and hopefully they are changing that.

His birthday is July 31.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

check out the newest puck rakers. The not committed 100% thing is true.

 

[Nanabijou]

While I don't care about Dorsett's response to an interview question regarding Johansen, the fact that he was scratched from a playoff game is concerning to me. I was hoping Porty would dig more into that to provide us with more context for the scratch.

Looks like he just did:

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...kers/2013/05/a-bitter-end-in-springfield.html

Larsen did not need permission from above to bench Johansen, he said. But it was discussed with the front office before Johansen was informed.
"There's a discussion, absolutely, but that's my call as the coach," Larsen said. "They were here; they saw it. (Blue Jackets coach) Todd Richards was here (Blue Jackets GM) Jarmo Kekalainen was here. (Blue Jackets assistant GM) Chris MacFarland was here. They saw it. They recognized it. Accountability is going up in Columbus. It's all about performance and what you're doing to help your teammates. It's that way down here, too. (It) has to be.
"(Ryan) was trying, as best as Ryan knows how. He needed to elevate his game on a compete level, and it wasn’t there. You have to up the ante to be a difference-maker at this level and in the playoffs. I didn’t feel like he was there. I didn’t feel like he was all in."

 

[blahblah]

While I don't care about Dorsett's response to an interview question regarding Johansen, the fact that he was scratched from a playoff game is concerning to me. I was hoping Porty would dig more into that to provide us with more context for the scratch.

Looks like he just did:

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...kers/2013/05/a-bitter-end-in-springfield.html

Thanks, "it" is being addressed.

 

[pete goegan]

His birthday is July 31.

Yes, time will inevitable change his age and can also alter his attitude.

The question raised in the OP is legitimate and has been voiced by several sources. It's not like we've never seen similar issues, around here. The whole point of the initial article at The Cannon blog was that his performance in Springfield was not impressive and his benching for the final do-or-die playoff game might raise a red flag. MIGHT!! His play down the stretch, here, showed his potential, but his performance in the playoffs didn't seem to meet that level. Was he hurt? Was it an attitude issue? Tired? Girl troubles? They are valid questions,

Thus: "Is Ryan Johansen going to be a problem?"

The answer could well be, "No!" That doesn't mean the discussion is without value. Personally, I trust Jarmo and JD to address it in the appropriate fashion, whatever that may be.

Edit: reading the Portzline article, it appears that Larson dealt with it in a timely fashion. I'm very pleased to see the concept of accountability percolating throughout the organization. About time!

 

[Nordique]

Its hard to offer an opinion when the whole thread is based on speculation.

I will say this. Joey's a bit of mystery. He has been up and down alot given his abilities. Yet all we ever here from the coaches is that he's "not doing the right things". I liked how he played down the stretch and that line with RJ and Foligno was a nightmare for other teams to contain....particularly that game in SJ ( I still have that one DVR'd ). That six game road trip may have been a rite of passage for him.

 

[blahblah]

The answer could well be, "No!" That doesn't mean the discussion is without value. Personally, I trust Jarmo and JD to address it in the appropriate fashion, whatever that may be.

The question is just poor. We are just speculating and forming opinions about the kid with limited information. We are starting to speculate about character and we risk a divided board with another player on whipping boy status. I have no desire to have people point out every mistake Johansen makes next season and we are starting to trend that way.

The impression I was left with is different than what happened in the AHL. Is it possible that the negative speculation is true? Sure. Does that mean it will impact him with the big club? Well we have 30 or so games this season that suggest otherwise.

That was my point to hockeygirl, even though she didn't want to hear it and I don't blame her. If he's a Diva and doesn't want to play in the AHL, that is unfortunate. I don't expect Johansen to be Jenner. Not everyone is going to be that mature and that kind of a leader. But if he performs at the NHL level, it may not matter at all. Sure we could have issues with ice time and where a player plays in the lineup, but that isn't uncommon in the NHL.

The difference I see with Johansen as opposed to a guy like Filatov is Johansen put in the work and listened to the coaching staff at the NHL level.

If he's a long term problem, he will be dealt with. I don't know the whole story and the story is deeper than this season.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Edit: reading the Portzline article, it appears that Larson dealt with it in a timely fashion. I'm very pleased to see the concept of accountability percolating throughout the organization. About time!

Porty better be working on another story on this subject, unless he's just interested in capitalizing on recent fan furor on this subject in the interest of blog hits. No quotes from anyone but Larsen? Nothing from the GM? Nothing from the player? Nothing from his Springfield teammates? I respect Larsen and am not questioning his assessment of the player/situation. But all the piece does is feed the speculation, rather than provide it with any clarity. (Again, I recognize this may be his intent.)

 

[blahblah]

Porty better be working on another story on this subject, unless he's just interested in capitalizing on recent fan furor on this subject in the interest of blog hits. No quotes from anyone but Larsen? Nothing from the GM? Nothing from the player? Nothing from his Springfield teammates? I respect Larsen and am not questioning his assessment of the player/situation. But all the piece does is feed the speculation, rather than provide it with any clarity. (Again, I recognize this may be his intent.)

I agree. To be fair, that was a "Springfield is eliminated piece" as opposed to a Johansen piece. He probably should have saved some of the Johansen quotes for another "article".

I know blogs are perceived in a certain way, but it is starting to mature and there are some journalistic names starting to use blogs as a true news outlet. I've heard it starting to be dubbed by some fairly credible sources as "The new media". Blogs are starting to unite and provide fact checking for each other. I only bring this up because of your reference to blog hits.

The reality is, this type of story probably doesn't deserve space in actual print even if it did somehow make it (based on what I saw on the mobile app, I don't think it did). However it is news and is worthy of being reported on. I think AP has a good venue to create news articles that wouldn't otherwise receive print, if he starts to apply even more rigor.