Is Provorov top 10 all around d man yet?

[LeafFever]

Karlsson
Hedman
Doughty
Subban
Burns
Josi
Pietrangelo
McAvoy
Werenski
Klingberg

Mcavoy is not even close to top 10.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

Yikes he's so overrated. Turnover after turnover, made 3 that lead directly to goals just this game. In an elimination game as well.

Love the small sample size brigade. He's a bajillion times better than fat face rielly.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

You realize he played that game with basically 1 shoulder, right?

That Leafs poster has been trashing him for years. Surprised he didn’t bring up his Memorial Cup performance like he has done multiple times in the past.

 

[pmwlker]

Things I learned in the last 10 minutes....

Rielly
Gardiner
Dermott

All better than Provorov and top ten defenders

Provorov overrated turnover machine

Where’s Appleyard when you need him.

 

[stevo61]

Things I learned in the last 10 minutes....

Rielly
Gardiner
Dermott

All better than Provorov and top ten defenders

Provorov overrated turnover machine

Where’s Appleyard when you need him.

I didnt know Dermott was better then Seth Jones aswell but now I know. Thanks informed and unbiased Leaf fan for opening our eyes

 

[t0nedeff]

Provorov is absolutely going to be a true number 1 in the next couple years but he did have an absolute horrible game 6.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Provorov is absolutely going to be a true number 1 in the next couple years but he did have an absolute horrible game 6.

I feel like he had a separated shoulder or something.

 

[DearDiary]

I feel like he had a separated shoulder or something.

How does that effect his brain? Everyone plays injured in the playoffs, last year Schultz and Hornqvist were playing with broken bones. Provorov looked like he had a serious concussion

 

[SotasicA]

Seems like every time I see Provorov he makes a giant turnover. I watch like maybe 3-5 Flyers games per season though. It's possible he rules in the other 80.

Maybe he gets nervous knowing I'm watching? Because I'm such a big deal...

 

[Toene]

Almost. Give him a legit partner and he's in the conversation. Cant wait to see Provorov-Sergachev at the Worlds or the World Cup *drools*

 

[Gsus]

Yikes he's so overrated. Turnover after turnover, made 3 that lead directly to goals just this game. In an elimination game as well.

The guy is better than any of your defenceman and is also going to be going forward.

He had a rough game, yes, but it's not like he wasn't an animal earlier when he was healthy.

This is like I'm going into a thread about Matthews to say "He's so overrated he missed a breakaway and Laine scored right after that". You can only dream about having a Dman like Provorov. Defence is his bread and butter but he tied the Dmen goal scoring title. That's how good he is.

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

Karlsson
Burns
Doughty
Suter
Niskanen
Josi
Jones
Vlasic
Hedman
Petro
Subban
Gio

Theres easily 12 before I'd even consider Prov

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Erik Karlsson is a top 10 all around d man?

It’s hilarious. The guy can’t defend to save his life.

Please people read what I said, two way defense man!

1st. You are completely wrong about Karlsson, unless you want to be dishonest to the level that you judge him souly on his first 40ish games this season - where he came back (too soon) from a serious injury and surgery.

2nd.

By your logic, the likes of Messi and Ronaldo would not be top-10 000 000 in the world, rating their overall games they are the best players, but overall (defensively especially) they are both horrendously bad.

 

[Bobby Orr's Knees]

I was at the game. He couldn't skate in the third period and looked in massive pain. I am shocked the Pens didn't try to hit Provy early in the game and take him out. It wouldn't have taken much.

 

[wej20]

Provorov is absolutely going to be a true number 1 in the next couple years but he did have an absolute horrible game 6.

Still was the best Flyers dman by a mile. Flyers need to get an experienced 2nd pairing dman to pair with him, or deploy on the 2nd pairing so they can some of the load of off Provorov.

I'd say most of his mistakes were due to his injury/bad luck which I think I'd rather have than Letang who makes bad decisions

 

[Dialamo]

Provorov had a bad game! BUST!

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

No, but he'll get there

 

[Mrb1p]

Top ten all around.... so basically you know hes not a top 20 D in the NHL, hes not a top 30 Offensive D in the NHL and hes not a top 10 defensive D in the NHL so you try to create parameters for him to be top 10

 

[Mrb1p]

Love the small sample size brigade. He's a bajillion times better than fat face rielly.

Its nice HF has been trying to discredit a ten times in a row top 10 norris defender for a single game in the 2nd round of the PO back in 2014, get used to it.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

Its nice HF has been trying to discredit a ten times in a row top 10 norris defender for a single game in the 2nd round of the PO back in 2014, get used to it.

This is true

 

[Big McLargehuge]

I feel bad for him, just because Hakstol used him way more than he was clearly able to give yesterday. Through the first 5 games of the series he was arguably the Flyers best player.

He's a #1 D today and could push himself into that second tier in short order.

 

[StoneHands]

Top ten all around.... so basically you know hes not a top 20 D in the NHL, hes not a top 30 Offensive D in the NHL and hes not a top 10 defensive D in the NHL so you try to create parameters for him to be top 10

Provorov was 27th in points and 8th in ES points but somehow he's not a top 30 offensive D? Also, since when is the term all around new, especially when referring to defenseman? That's like saying the term two-way forward is creating new parameters.

Provorov isn't a top 10 defenseman yet but the term "all around" isn't new, especially when discussing defenseman. There are guys like Gardiner, Yandle, and Petry that put up more points but clearly aren't better defenseman.

 

[Mrb1p]

Provorov was 27th in points and 8th in ES points but somehow he's not a top 30 offensive D? Also, since when is the term all around new, especially when referring to defenseman? That's like saying the term two-way forward is creating new parameters.

Provorov isn't a top 10 defenseman yet but the term "all around" isn't new, especially when discussing defenseman. There are guys like Gardiner, Yandle, and Petry that put up more points but clearly aren't better defenseman.

Mainly throwing numbers in the air, dont get your panties in a bunch.

The term two way is just a bad term when comparing players. Gretzky was bad defensively, so was Lemieux, they are still better "two-way" players than any other players because the most valuable way is the one theyre incredibly great at.


Also, Petry is the furthest thing from an offensive Dman i could think of and comparing him to Yandle is somewhat revolting.

 

[The S5]

Provorov will be a good #1 defenseman at some point. Where he falls in the pecking order is up for debate.

Can we also please end the narrative that Ghost is anything more than an average 2nd/3rd pairing D, PP specialist.

 

[StoneHands]

Mainly throwing numbers in the air, dont get your panties in a bunch.

The term two way is just a bad term when comparing players. Gretzky was bad defensively, so was Lemieux, they are still better "two-way" players than any other players because the most valuable way is the one theyre incredibly great at.


Also, Petry is the furthest thing from an offensive Dman i could think of and comparing him to Yandle is somewhat revolting.

I'd take Karlsson over Provorov because his offensive abilities outweigh the defensive deficiencies so that makes him s better all around player but there are also guys that outscored Provorov (Petry and Yandle) that I wouldn't even consider taking over Provorov which is where the other side of the "all around" play comes in. I get it, you don't like the term for some weird reason but it's not new and I don't know why you're making it sound like it's a made up term to make Provorov sound better than he is.