Is PK Subban an HHOF contender?

[TropicOfNoReturn]

From 2012 - 2018 he was stellar, one of the best players in the league.
But outside of that window...he hasn't done enough. Minor consideration, sure. But no, he should not be in the HHOF.
If the Preds had won the Cup and he won the Conn Smythe, then yes, sure.

 

[abo9]

Hmmm interesting question. Imo he had 5-6 seasons of being elite and worthy of hhof being in the conversation for hhof.

But, he was simply not dominant to be in without longevity imo. And his recent years have been brutal.

A guy like E. Karlsson also had a bery brief peak before going down bad, but he had 2 Norris and his peak was monstruous, he was hanging with the best ever to play the position until injuries did him in. And to this day he's a decent top 4 option, top 20-30 offensive defenseman in the NHL iirc.

 

[Giant Panda]

Honest question, how would hockey be a different game if Subban hasn't played it? The NHL probably wouldn't be too much different of a game.

Not knowing who Subban was isn't going to be a huge issue for hockey fans 50 years from now. It's not like we had a Subban era or he changed the way the game was played or he had moments that transcended the game. There's not really a reason why he would be worth immortalizing into the hall of fame.

Imo, the bar for getting into the HOF should be how much of a difference someone made for the sport of hockey.

 

[MXD]

Honest question, how would hockey be a different game if Subban hasn't played it? The NHL probably wouldn't be too much different of a game.

Not knowing who Subban was isn't going to be a huge issue for hockey fans 50 years from now. It's not like we had a Subban era or he changed the way the game was played or he had moments that transcended the game. There's not really a reason why he would be worth immortalizing into the hall of fame.

Imo, the bar for getting into the HOF should be how much of a difference someone made for the sport of hockey.

I mean, there are plenty of guys whose place in the HHOF is never really questionned (with cause) and who made no difference to anything. Like... I dunno... Larry Murphy?

 

[loadie]

I remember when I had my first beer…

 

[Giant Panda]

I mean, there are plenty of guys whose place in the HHOF is never really questionned (with cause) and who made no difference to anything. Like... I dunno... Larry Murphy?

The solution to bad a entry isn't adding more bad entries.

 

[MXD]

The solution to bad a entry isn't adding more bad entries.

That's the thing : Players like Larry Murphy have been somewhat routinely getting in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and PK Subban seems like a very odd place to stop the trend...

 

[ItWasJustified]

That's the thing : Players like Larry Murphy have been somewhat routinely getting in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and PK Subban seems like a very odd place to stop the trend...

Are you seriously comparing Larry Murphy with PK Subban?

 

[justHypnos]

Subban was an offensive specialist but got overrated because he was flashy and scored a lot of goals, for a star-deprived Montreal. A lot of people rated him above defensemen like Suter or Weber who produced maybe 10 fewer points but were unbeatable defensively.

Based on the number of players from the 80s in the Hall of Fame, I think he should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame, no questions asked. But I don't even think he was ever truly an ideal #1 defenseman (obviously except for his near PPG season). Unreal in the playoffs though.

 

[robsenz]

Absolutely not

 

[Scorcho]

ahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha.....no.

 

[RandV]

In my opinion when you look at future HOF status for players it's less about how they stack up against past greats and more about how they do with the players in the same age range - important when looking at guys like Luongo.. If you look at his draft, the draft the year before and after, for dmen Subban is in a class with Doughty, Josi, Karlsson, Carlson, and Pietrangelo. I'd say he slides to the back of this line and the first 3 are who get in.

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

The bar is pretty low for induction and sadly they need to induct 3-4 people a year.
It's possible Subban will get in, but it will be many, many years after he retires.

 

[MXD]

Are you seriously comparing Larry Murphy with PK Subban?
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Maybe, maybe not.

In my opinion when you look at future HOF status for players it's less about how they stack up against past greats and more about how they do with the players in the same age range - important when looking at guys like Luongo.. If you look at his draft, the draft the year before and after, for dmen Subban is in a class with Doughty, Josi, Karlsson, Carlson, and Pietrangelo. I'd say he slides to the back of this line and the first 3 are who get in.

Well, you're... sorta right, but the issue with this is, he's gonna be up for voting way, way before all of them (though then again Chara, Keith and Weber get in before him)

 

[JianYang]

If he didn’t drop off, maybe but he dropped off way too early. It’s a bummer cause I liked him a lot. For a time there with Montreal, he was my favorite player to watch.

I don't think there would be much doubt in my mind that he makes the hhof if his drop wasn't so early.

Actually, it not just that he dropped in his early 30s, but it's the fact that he just went to zero in the blink of an eye rather than a gradual decline.

I was always confused with his training regimen. He seemed like he was trying to become a linebacker when you see his training habits, which was so counter to his game.

But I'm not a trainer so maybe I'm talking out of my ass.

 

[RandV]

Maybe, maybe not.



Well, you're... sorta right, but the issue with this is, he's gonna be up for voting way, way before all of them (though then again Chara, Keith and Weber get in before him)

When I want to glance at HoF eligibility rather than looking at when a player may retire and who else may be retiring at the same time, which can be sporadic and hard to predict, I get a much easier 'ballpark estimate' by going on hockeydb.com and look at their draft plus the year before and after, and that's where I get Doughty & crew. But yeah more realistically in his specific case he'll likely be retiring with those guys and is basically in the same situation.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Norris winner (And other high finish(es).
Clancy winner
2x 1st team NHL All Star
3x NHL All Star Game
WJC & Olympic Gold
1st black player to win Norris
NHL All Rookie Team
Charismatic

He will definitely make it in.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

No Sir

 

[Nick Hansen]

Does any one know the reason(s) for his steep decline?

This is a tricky one, I lean towards no. Just a little bit too little and no longevity to boost his case with. If his career had had a "normal" decline I think he'd probably be in.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

For a guy who was frequently suspect defensively, he probably needs more than four seasons over 40 points, none over 60.

 

[ShootIt]

I think with PK is that if he played at a top 4 role for 3-4 more years where he still could produce offensively he would be an easy lock.

But with his short peak, in relation to other most HHOF defensemen I don't think he is a lock. Could he get in? Sure. But it could go either way.

Price for me was a lock till his sudden step away from the game. His run to the stanley cup was amazing and it looked like he was still in his prime. Then poof.
Talent wise he deserves to be in. Just sucks that we may of lost him so early in his career.

 

[SML2]

Based on his on ice play, no.

Probably will have a substantial post playing career as a broadcaster.

He is a good personality and being POC, he has a platform to reach people and grow the game.

So I will never say he will never get in, but IMO, he's only about half way there. He has alot of work to do.

 

[PaulD]

Lowe wasn’t a key to the dynasty, he was an average player in a VERY favourable situation

and Kevin Lowe is always the first name that comes up when asked who is in that should not be

 

[PaulD]

That's the thing : Players like Larry Murphy have been somewhat routinely getting in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and PK Subban seems like a very odd place to stop the trend...

2019-2020-2021-2022 ....... thats a lot of hockey games where he played like shit.

No way he gets in.

 

[Mrb1p]

Weird case as he had only a couple of elite seasons sandwiched by the mediocre career. Reminds a lot of guys like Taylor Hall and Carey Price with just great 2-3 years and awards in it but nothing else. His name hasn’t got bigger than his actual accomplishments thus probably not HHOF. In Price’s case you imagine great career for 15+ years, but in fact he only has 1 Vezina, 1 other nomination and another 4th place, very similar to PK. Now Subban is considered to be what he actually was and is, just like Taylor Hall and Benn

Carey Price with jusy 2-3 great years lmao.
Lets just ignore the 7 vezina top 10.
Lets just ignore the 7 top 10 in wins seasons.
Lets ignore the 5 top 10 in %.
Lets ignore the run he had last year and in the covid invitational.
Lets ignore his play in the WJC and Olympics.
Lets ignore his play in the Calder cup.
Lets ignore his AR1.