Is Ottawa good?

[Suntouchable13]

I mean, is any team above them "good"? They are 6 points out of the division lead. I think if you call Panthers and Leafs good, then the Sens are not that far behind really.

Nice to see the sens sitting in 3rd in the atlantic.

Even if it is a bit of a pts% mirage.

Only 6 points back of first. So it's not like the top teams are that far ahead.

 

[devbouz12]

It's super weird how Sens fans main argument about any questions surrounding the team is "but Detroit tho".

Like, Detroit missed the playoffs with 91 points last season. Ottawa's currently on pace for ~92. Is that "good" or "dogwater irrelevant"? Pick a lane.

The irony of you saying this in a thread titled "is Ottawa good?".

 

[Korpse]

I'd argue it's mental gymnastics to deflect any possible questions about Stützle with the argument that they've found ways to win recently.

He is a part of the reason they are winning low scoring games so why be critical. Despite he his offensive struggles, he still leads the team in points over that span. The whole team isn't scoring but the team is playing good hockey and winning games, why would fans be critical of that?

Maybe you are unfamiliar with how the team has been playing but I feel like it's pretty easy logic to follow.

 

[NyQuil]

He is a part of the reason they are winning low scoring games so why be critical. Despite he his offensive struggles, he still leads the team in points over that span. The whole team isn't scoring but the team is playing good hockey and winning games, why would fans be critical of that?

Maybe you are unfamiliar with how the team has been playing but I feel like it's pretty easy logic to follow.

He doesn’t actually want an answer.

 

[PainForShane]

This play is a good example of how Tim Stutzle helps his team night after night.

Perhaps his most standout quality as an offensive contributor is his ability to draw opposing players to him. He's like a magnet.

His stick-handling, his shifty skating with quick acceleration and turns frustrate the opposition into over-committing to him, usually leaving one of his wingers wide open for a very high quality scoring chance.

He manages to create plays out of nothing, in situations where there doesn't appear to be any time and space. He always appears dangerous and draws a lot of attention out there, and when his linemates can actually finish, they end up as the beneficiaries.

I've seen you post before and I think you're a good poster in general, but on this particular play Marino did this all by himself. There is absolutely no reason for him to come all the way over to the other side that far beyond the centerline.

Stutzle might be good at drawing defenders, I don't know. 100% agree that he's good, maybe elite, at creating something from nothing. But imo this wasn't the best example to illustrate this particular point, that's all I'm saying

 

[NyQuil]

I've seen you post before and I think you're a good poster in general, but on this particular play Marino did this all by himself. There is absolutely no reason for him to come all the way over to the other side that far beyond the centerline.

Stutzle might be good at drawing defenders, I don't know. 100% agree that he's good, maybe elite, at creating something from nothing. But imo this wasn't the best example to illustrate this particular point, that's all I'm saying

I guess the point I’m making is that, if it wasn’t Stutzle, the most dangerous guy on the team, I don’t see Marino flying over to help.

Obviously it’s Marino’s fault for leaving his own man high and dry, but Stutzle does this a lot. He gets double teamed and finds a way to find the open guy.

 

[PainForShane]

I guess the point I’m making is that, if it wasn’t Stutzle, the most dangerous guy on the team, I don’t see Marino flying over to help.

Obviously it’s Marino’s fault for leaving his own man high and dry, but Stutzle does this a lot. He gets double teamed and finds a way to find the open guy.

Sure, but Giroux's one of the most respected players in the league, fmr Hart finalist, 1000+ career points. 'Oh let's risk leaving Giroux open so that Stutzle has a 1-2 instead of a 1-1,' I mean maybe you're right but if Marino actually thought that because of he feared Stutzle's shot or ability to beat ppl 1-1 he's a f***ing idiot. Especially bc Stutzle is a more of an assist guy anyway.

For context, I'm a Zona fan, saw that in real time, rolled my eyes and was like, "Marino wtf" esp because we need him to be a top 4 guy who's defensively aware, on that play he wasn't. Imo that particular play wasn't Stutzle being a genius, it was more of his taking advantage of a brain dead play by the D and flipping a zone pass into space at speed. I'd expect most top 6 centers in the league to make the same play.

Again though, I like Stutzle and every team would love to have him on their team, esp at that cap hit. As I said, not looking to clown on Stutzle whatsoever but I just don't think the example you provided really showed him proactively drawing defenders or anything of the sort. That's all I'm saying here.

 

[NyQuil]

Sure, but Giroux's one of the most respected players in the league, fmr Hart finalist, 1000+ career points. 'Oh let's risk leaving Giroux open so that Stutzle has a 1-2 instead of a 1-1,' I mean maybe you're right but if Marino actually thought that because of he feared Stutzle's shot or ability to beat ppl 1-1 he's a f***ing idiot. Especially bc Stutzle is a more of an assist guy anyway.

For context, I'm a Zona fan, saw that in real time, rolled my eyes and was like, "Marino wtf" esp because we need him to be a 2nd pair guy who's defensively aware, on that play he wasn't. Imo that particular play wasn't Stutzle being a genius, it was more of his taking advantage of a brain dead play by the D and flipping a zone pass into space at speed. I'd expect most top 6 centers in the league to make the same play.

Again though, I like Stutzle and every team would love to have him on their team, esp at that cap hit. As I said, not looking to clown on Stutzle whatsoever but I just don't think the example you provided really showed him proactively drawing defenders or anything of the sort

Ok.

Everyone ignore that play.

 

[PainForShane]

Ok.

Everyone ignore that play.

Ha. Well said

 

[Dotter]

Its a weirder flex yapping all this nonsense about the Sens shit rebuild when the Dead Wings have been dogwater irrelevant with the same shit rebuild for almost the same amount of time now.

The Yzerplan will start working better tho right?

Wings receive their fair share of criticism on the main board. Difference is Ottawa fans want a thread on the main board for everyone to sing kumbaya in sweet harmony,... But if anyone with an honest opinion and view outside of what Sens fans find acceptable to fit their narrative it's 'cry fowl' and "trollzzzlol!".

Y'all go on the attack whenever someone points out facts. And then bring up other teams... Like, for example Maple Leafs, Wings, etc.

If your team is on the main board then you should expect to get honest outside perspective from members who don't wear OTT blinders, which certainly may not align with your own echo chamber views. Nobody is going to your boards to break that up your fun. But on the main board you will get other perspectives that may not align with the sweet sweet kumbaya songs you're signing on your fan board.

 

[Qward]

No, but gosh golly we try

 

[RickyLafleur]

Wings receive their fair share of criticism on the main board. Difference is Ottawa fans want a thread on the main board for everyone to sing kumbaya in sweet harmony,... But if anyone with an honest opinion and view outside of what Sens fans find acceptable to fit their narrative it's 'cry fowl' and "trollzzzlol!".

Y'all go on the attack whenever someone points out facts. And then bring up other teams... Like, for example Maple Leafs, Wings, etc.

If your team is on the main board then you should expect to get honest outside perspective from members who don't wear OTT blinders, which certainly may not align with your own echo chamber views. Nobody is going to your boards to break that up your fun. But on the main board you will get other perspectives that may not align with the sweet sweet kumbaya songs you're signing on your fan board.

1) No sens fans want main board threads because all it does is bring in trolls, case in point this thread.
2) This thread was started by a flames fan.

 

[PainForShane]

Wings receive their fair share of criticism on the main board. Difference is Ottawa fans want a thread on the main board for everyone to sing kumbaya in sweet harmony,... But if anyone with an honest opinion and view outside of what Sens fans find acceptable to fit their narrative it's 'cry fowl' and "trollzzzlol!".

Y'all go on the attack whenever someone points out facts. And then bring up other teams... Like, for example Maple Leafs, Wings, etc.

If your team is on the main board then you should expect to get honest outside perspective from members who don't wear OTT blinders, which certainly may not align with your own echo chamber views. Nobody is going to your boards to break that up your fun. But on the main board you will get other perspectives that may not align with the sweet sweet kumbaya songs you're signing on your fan board.

Bro. I'm a Yotes fan. We've been clowned on more than anyone over the years, if you want to argue against this... it's up to you I guess, but good luck.

You know what I've never done? Gone out of my way to talk shit about other teams. Actually I go out of my way to not talk shit about any other teams at all even in response to random trolls. You know why? Because through multiple decades my team was bad. And atm, my team is still currently mid. And also because I'm not an insecure a**hole.

You brought this yourself by trolling an entire fanbase, when their team is better than yours and also has a better long term outlook than your team does. If they want to clown on you for being this far out of touch... well, imo it's justified in this particular case. Pointing out facts.

Currently Detroit is mid. At the moment Ottawa is also mid, but my own perspective is that I personally think the upside is higher because would run through a wall if I were in a dressing room with a guy who played like Brady. And their top 6 is legitimately good. And the defense is at least ok (probably better than ok), and their goalie recently and justifiably won a Vezina. Rosterwise these are facts and you can cope with them or not, I don't really care and neither does anyone else.

***

To all Wings fans, I'm not clowning on your team, I absolutely love Seider, Larkin, Raymond and I was a big fan of Yzerman the player (who wasn't?). I'm clowning on something else entirely.

Thx in advance for understanding Wings fans. Imo we can be fans of our own teams without going out of our way to troll other franchises

 

[Dotter]

Bro. I'm a Yotes fan.

e'nuff said.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I’m a red wings fan and I absolutely do not like the Ottawa senators. I dislike them the most in our division with Montreal and Toronto close behind. With that said, I don’t know why we need to try and tear them down. We need to stick to the facts. They are playing well this year. Stutzle is an absolutely awesome player and Brady is the best power forward in the league. Sanderson is also a great defensive player to build off of. Just because I’m negative on their long term due to their past GMing doesn’t mean they don’t have a good core. They have legit star players.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Isn't is pretty average? Why do we always have to speak in hyperbole?

Yes, it's average. The poster I quoted apparently made the distinction that 91 points is "dogwater" and 92 points is something else.

He doesn’t actually want an answer.

Believe me, the answer to the question has become pretty clear. I'm just surprised how quickly Ottawa fans have given up on the idea of Stützle as anything more than a ~75 point player and are totally fine with it.

 

[NyQuil]

I'm just surprised how quickly Ottawa fans have given up on the idea of Stützle as anything more than a ~75 point player and are totally fine with it.

Yes, that's exactly the conclusion you would arrive at if you didn't read any of the responses to your inane observation.

 

[Akrapovince]

Yes, that's exactly the conclusion you would arrive at if you didn't read any of the responses to your inane observation.

If Stützle at his worse and slumping is a 75 point player and his team can win games in the mean time, why wouldn’t a senators fan be fine with it?

Would be much more worried if the Sens were winning and Stützle was scoring a goal and assist per game to be honest.

 

[NyQuil]

If Stützle at his worse and slumping is a 75 point player and his team can win games in the mean time, why wouldn’t a senators fan be fine with it?

Would be much more worried if the Sens were winning and Stützle was scoring a goal and assist per game to be honest.

He's still playing well, creating the lion's share of the team's dangerous scoring opportunities and playing solid defence while he's at it.

If Detroit fans want to trash Giroux and Tkachuk for their inconsistent production, fine by me, they deserve it.

But slumps are easier to swallow when the team defence and goaltending still allows them to win hockey games.

This "Haha, Stutzle isn't actually that good" gotcha moment from reading the stats page isn't going to impress anyone who actually watches the games.

 

[Sticksandsun]

A very quick review of their first 25 GP vs their last 25 GP

First 25: 11-12-2
77 GF (3.08/game)
81 GA (3.24/game)

PP: 23/87 (26.4%)
PK: 56/74 (75.6%)

Last 25: 15-8-2
60 GF (2.4/game)
55 GA (2.2/game)

PP: 12/71 (16.9%)
PK: 56/68 (82.3%)

Goals for have dropped dramatically but goals against have dropped even more so is this correlation to Green coming in? Team is starting to finally adopt a more defensive minded strategy?
If they start scoring a bit more and keep getting decent enough goaltending, I could see them grab one of the final wildcard spots.
I see Toronto, Florida and Tampa as top 3 in Atlantic while Ottawa and Boston fight for the WC spots, would prefer the Senators get in over Bruins.

 

[RickyLafleur]

A very quick review of their first 25 GP vs their last 25 GP

First 25: 11-12-2
77 GF (3.08/game)
81 GA (3.24/game)

PP: 23/87 (26.4%)
PK: 56/74 (75.6%)

Last 25: 15-8-2
60 GF (2.4/game)
55 GA (2.2/game)

PP: 12/71 (16.9%)
PK: 56/68 (82.3%)

Goals for have dropped dramatically but goals against have dropped even more so is this correlation to Green coming in? Team is starting to finally adopt a more defensive minded strategy?
If they start scoring a bit more and keep getting decent enough goaltending, I could see them grab one of the final wildcard spots.
I see Toronto, Florida and Tampa as top 3 in Atlantic while Ottawa and Boston fight for the WC spots, would prefer the Senators get in over Bruins.

Here's hoping you're right and the Sens will face off against the Panthers in the playoffs. Games between these teams have been slobberknockers lately and a 7 game series between them would be intense and filled with physicality.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Wait till Ullmark gets back. If they could score consistently 5 on 5 they would be in the mix for the top spot in the Atlantic.

 

[RickyLafleur]

Wait till Ullmark gets back. If they could score consistently 5 on 5 they would be in the mix for the top spot in the Atlantic.

Defense and goaltending have been fine in his absence...the offense though.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Here's hoping you're right and the Sens will face off against the Panthers in the playoffs. Games between these teams have been slobberknockers lately and a 7 game series between them would be intense and filled with physicality.

How many punches can a Tkachuk chuk if you got two Tkachuks who like to chuk?

 

[Akrapovince]

How many punches can a Tkachuk chuk if you got two Tkachuks who like to chuk?

How many Knuck’s can a Tkachuk chuck if you got two Tkachuks with Knuck’s that like to chuck at Canucks??