VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
Several great hockey players saw a lot of action in WWI ("The Great War" as it was known before WWII), none with more gravitas due to his [edit: war efforts] than Bill Cook, a top-5 Ranger ever.
Thanks to this comment, I just burst out laughing on the Tokyo JR train, causing commuters to look at me disapprovingly.Hockey has changed, so has warfare. Maybe I don't want them "in my foxhole," but I do want a videogame-savvy guy like a Patrick Laine or an Olli Juolevi piloting the drones on my side.
Playing against prime 99 & 66 obviously hurts anyones career but let's also not forget that in Stevie Y's best season, 38 of the top 50 scorers were Canadian.SY would probably have a couple of Harts if Mario and Wayne wasn’t in his era. Scoring 150, for a bad team, and not getting the Hart says something about the competition
Global competition is a thing, sure, but there was also a period when global competition wasn't very strong as compared to Canadian talent. Things were evening out by the 1980s, to be sure, but the motivation for European-trained players to sacrifice comfort and family-security, etc., to move to North America only became a big thing with the salary explosion from the late-70s through (and esp.) the early-90s.No one is winning Ross or Hart vs 99 or 66 but also there were no Germans, Swedes, Americans, or Czechs winning or seriously competing for the Ross in the 80's.
No, it doesn't. If anything, reputation wise, everyone gets an unearned boost for lacking hardware/stat placements, etc. because of the Demigod status of "99 & 66", even in the case of a player like Yzerman who had a finish that would result in exactly one Art Ross Trophy if the two best Forwards in a 21-team League just magically don't exist. Nobody else from any other era gets that type of benefit of the doubt compared to the halo effect boost of playing at the same as Gretzky and Lemieux.Playing against prime 99 & 66 obviously hurts anyones career
result in exactly one Art Ross Trophy
So.. his zero actual Art Rosses equals MacKinnon's zero actual Art Ross.So... More than MacKinnon?
Dan Cloutier really had trouble with those Yzerman wraparounds.The lamest-looking goal ('cuz he had only one good leg) earned Yzerman the goal that put him over Howe careerwise. ... You cannot replay that goal without the CONTEXT of the video above linked.
Prime Yzerman may have been the youngster scoring 100+ points a year in a conference Edmonton owned.
But prime Yzerman to me is a leg down, yet gonna win...
Adjusted Point TotalsThe all-or-nothing nature of trophy counting misrepresents here.
McKinnon was what, 3% off of Kucherov this season? Does that not count for something? Same goes for Yzerman.
So.. his zero actual Art Rosses equals MacKinnon's zero actual Art Ross.
In my opinion, Yzerman was at his best from age 22 to 29, and then more sporadically was at his best from age 29 to 32. But there's no way he was overall better in his 30s.Probably pretty close. Always hard to compare Yzerman because there's a good argument that he became a better player in his 30s even if he wasn't putting up the numbers.
Lidstrom and Fedorov didn't come into their own until after Yzerman's offensive peak years were over. It's hard to call Yzerman a loser before 94-95. 93-94 and 94-95 Fedorov was good, but that was before Detroit built the team they became known for in the 90s and 00s.Yzerman was a loser much longer despite having better talent around him. Makar and Rantanen are good but they're not as good as Lidström and Fedorov.
Lidstrom and Fedorov didn't come into their own until after Yzerman's offensive peak years were over. It's hard to call Yzerman a loser before 94-95. 93-94 and 94-95 Fedorov was good, but that was before Detroit built the team they became known for in the 90s and 00s.
Yzerman on one leg ruled a playoffs.
Against my Canucks:
Double negative could make a bit of a trap, but almost everyone that answered the question did not think about 97-02 (3 cups after all....).Who doesn't think Yzerman wasn't better later in his career?