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Divine said:
I disagree, but we’ll never know.

There’s a big difference in the space Marner generates vs McDavid. McDavid is a 60 goal scorer so you have to respect that he can score and play him as a shooting threat which opens up more space. Marner is always dared to shoot because he has a weak shot and can’t beat goalies from far. In the playoffs, defending Marner is nearly always daring him to shoot and cheating towards the passing lanes.

I think Draisaitl can score 50 with Kucherov or maybe MacK, because they’re both scoring threats. I don’t see it with Marner personally.
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Marner is a great setup man. That is why I say this. I think 100% Draisaitl would score 50 if Marner was on his line
 
MikeS24 said:
Marner is a great setup man. That is why I say this. I think 100% Draisaitl would score 50 if Marner was on his line
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I disagree with that.

Every time he’s separated from Matthews he becomes invisible while Matthews doesn’t miss a beat.

Let’s see what happens if he goes to another team next season.

That’s why this thread makes no sense. Matthews isn’t even the worse playoff performer on his team. Marner completely disappears but wants to be the highest paid player on the team.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
Yea, sure. He still scored 33 goals this season. On pace for only 15 per 82 games in these playoffs. Stop making excuses for the guy. He could have gotten the injury addressed. He did not. He played in the 4 Nations, he played in all regular season games after that too. Spare me "he is so hurt" excuse.
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DIdn't Matthews get something like 11 goals his last 17 games?

That is pretty good. Did he just get injured starting in the playoffs?
 
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Leafshater67 said:
I cant think of a worse example of a skater whose play so consistently drops off every playoffs and I’ve been watching hockey for 30 years.

This guy is supposed to be a superstar and has a C on his jersey now and it’s the same old. 60 goal man in the regular season, 30 goal pace in the playoffs at best. He wasn’t good at 4 nations either.

It’s time to stop making excuses for this guy IMO.
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says 'Leafshater67" perhaps try watching hockey with your eyes open, and more than a game here and there. ...god forbid you actually see what a real choker looks like.
Divine said:
I disagree with that.

Every time he’s separated from Matthews he becomes invisible while Matthews doesn’t miss a beat.

Let’s see what happens if he goes to another team next season.

That’s why this thread makes no sense. Matthews isn’t even the worse playoff performer on his team. Marner completely disappears but wants to be the highest paid player on the team.
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Tavares scored a career best 47 goals when Marner was on his line
 
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mydnyte said:
Tavares scored a career best 47 goals when Marner was on his line
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Yet he scored a whopping 4 more points than he scored on the defence first Islanders the previous season?

Not much of an improvement. I don’t know if a player going from a low scoring team with 84 points to 88 points on a high scoring team makes someone a stud playmaker.
 
Divine said:
Yet he scored a whopping 4 more points than he scored on the defence first Islanders the previous season?

Not much of an improvement. I don’t know if a player going from a low scoring team with 84 points to 88 points on a high scoring team makes someone a stud playmaker.
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his career high in goals was 38, 47 is a huge improvement, and the POINT was Marner setting up Drais to get 50 ...which would be easy if he can take a guy who never scored 40 to 47.

/edit my post was regarding the reply to this:
"Marner is a great setup man. That is why I say this. I think 100% Draisaitl would score 50 if Marner was on his line"

so, making JT a 47 goal guy, he should easily get Drais to 50
 
mydnyte said:
his career high in goals was 38, 47 is a huge improvement, and the POINT was Marner setting up Drais to get 50 ...which would be easy if he can take a guy who never scored 40 to 47. ...but, feel free to ignore the point completely
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He couldn’t make Tavares a 50 goal scorer despite a significant upgrade in offensive players around him.

Drai is going from playing with McDavid to Marner, which is a downgrade. The only question is how much of a downgrade is it? If it’s more than 5 goals he’s not a 50 goal scorer.
 
Divine said:
Lots of players stars jump up when stapled to McDavid. I guarantee you Matthews playoff stats jump up if he was in Draisaitl’s spot.

Staple Draisaitl to Marner and he doesn’t come close.

Draisaitl has the advantage of being the second best player on his team.
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Draisaitl and McDavid have played twelve playoff series together before this year. Draisaitl outscored McDavid in six of those. Including the Calgary series I referenced where he had a FIVE point lead over McD... in a five game series.

And anyway, even IF there were any substance to that idea (there clearly isnt) its doing alot of work to explain how Draisaitl is essentially twice as productive as Matthews in the playoffs and that includes doing it with injuries.
 
Divine said:
Sure. Has Draisaitl ever scored 36 goals without McDavid assisting them?

I mean if you want to argue Marner is as good as McDavid, be my guest.

I don’t think most will agree with you here though.
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You are obsessed with stats
 
Divine said:
I disagree with that.

Every time he’s separated from Matthews he becomes invisible while Matthews doesn’t miss a beat.

Let’s see what happens if he goes to another team next season.

That’s why this thread makes no sense. Matthews isn’t even the worse playoff performer on his team. Marner completely disappears but wants to be the highest paid player on the team.
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Matthews completely disappears but is the highest paid player on the team

Oh and playoff stats:
G. A. Pts. +\-
Marner. 13. 49. 62. +10
Matthews. 25. 33. 58. +3
 
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Divine said:
I’m saying you can score against weaker teams with a weaker shot.

Matthews scores less than half the goals he scored last season in the regular season this year.

In the playoffs you’re not getting as many breakaways. His wrist shot being much slower took away his greatest threat. He can contribute in other ways, but he’s not going to score much this playoffs unless his wrist magically heals.
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Nylander seems to get multiple breakaways a game
 
BeranekAndNeck said:
He's 20th in playoff PPG among active players with two teammates ahead of him. That is not good enough, no.



Except he does not lead his teams in scoring in the playoffs, which again is what matters in a discussion about... scoring in the playoffs.

2024-25: 3rd so far
2023-24: T1st with Domi and Bertuzzi
2022-23: 3rd
2021-22: 1st
2020-21: 3rd

That's five years of data. It's also debatable how "dominant" his defense is in the playoffs, given he has never managed to shut down the other team enough to reach Round 3.



Matthews has three goals in his last four playoff series and has never scored a goal in the second round. That is good enough for a player of his regular season resume. Full stop.
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Especially at 13 million, that's a hard pass.
 
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