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Is Leon Draisaitl on pace to be the best non-“big six” nation hockey player ever?

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Is Leon Draisaitl on pace to be the best non-“big six” nation hockey player ever

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Three On Zero

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KingPuckChoo said:
how many times has Drai led the Oilers in scoring? Has Draisaitl played with Iafallo and Brown (or DWIGHT KING LOL) on his wings during those non-existent years where Drai led in scoring?

How many trophy wins and nominations does Drai have?

How many cups?

in those non-existent years where he won a cup, how many of those did he lead in scoring or contributed highly to the non-existent cups he's won?

How many non-existent Selkes?

Yes he was tremendous in 2020. but would he have won the Ross without McDavid? Now, take away any player from the Kings as you desire, please do, and yet you'd still have Kopitar on top. In this context, it is absolutely Kopitar that is driving whoever on the kings not the other way around.

But Of course it's normal for a person like you and the other "t*ww*i/ts" that LOL at the comparison because to them, probably a player that scores 5million points and has zero to show for, equates to best ever. Yes, we live in such a world.

But once you factor in context, including style of play your team plays that seriously hampers productivity, yet you STILL managed to always finish first on your team without fail is a tremendous feat that Drai couldn't replicate because he has yet to replicate nor will he.
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Draisaitl has also won his awards heavily on the back of McDavid. He hasn’t proven to play at that level without him.
 
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McNuge said:
Well this really is a head scratcher... Leon was voted the best player of the year by media and hockey players alike but it was somehow McDavid who won it for him?

Huh? Might want to re-evaluate that thought process...
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Yeah, I don't know how you win awards "heavily on the back" of another player. Like the player wins the award because they ARE the ones doing the lifting, not the other way around. If McDavid piggybacked Draisaitl to his awards, wouldn't McDavid have won them in the first place? It makes no logical sense. But I guess some posters know better than actual NHL players, GMs, reporters, etc.
 
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Video Nasty said:
Lol, look at these people pretending they’ve ever watched enough Oilers games (if any) to think they can comment on Drai’s play.
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Watch Draisaitl's play on the game winning goal. In game 7 of last year's SC Final. Lazy as can be on D. Obviously didn't want it bad enough.
 

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tarheelhockey said:
I’m not underrating it, trust me.

Chara’s physicality wasn’t more than what Pronger brought. His strength and sheer size was the advantage over Pronger. That wingspan was ridiculous, unique in the history of the sport. And he wasn’t just a big hitter, he was physically stronger than any of his opponents and knew how to use it. His dad was an Olympic wrestler, and Chara trained at Greco-Roman in the summer. Trying to battle him along the boards wasn’t about Pronger-style nastiness and physicality, it was about a giant man using leverage that would just smother an opponent the way an ordinary man could restrain a child.

The biggest flaw with Chara was that he didn’t have the skill level to really dominate the puck. He could pound it as long as someone set him up, and he was usually able to get a stick on anything within 15 feet of him. But he wasn’t a particularly effective rusher or point QB… not that he was bad, but you wanted someone else on the ice who could do a bit of playmaking for him. That’s where he gets eclipsed a bit by the peaks of guys like Lidstrom and Keith who put it all together in one package even if they lacked the physical dimensions of a Chara. And certainly you’d look at the impact of a peak Ovechkin, the physicality he brought along with the offensive domination, or peak Crosby or Malkin, and Chara didn’t quite have that level of game-takeover skill. If I had to rank him against forwards I’d say Chara was more at the Datsyuk level of impact, and Datsyuk notably didn’t hold a candle to those big 3 forwards either.
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I would not say that Datsyuk didn’t hold a candle to them in overall impact, and he was definitely better than Chara at his peak. I believe the impact Datsyuk had was underrated by most hockey fans though, that’s a player who dominated later in his career with a bad leg and Lidstrom long gone. At his peak he was similar to Fedorov in terms of two-way impact, I would indeed say he was a Hart level player.
 

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Three On Zero said:
Draisaitl has also won his awards heavily on the back of McDavid. He hasn’t proven to play at that level without him.
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Either way how he’s been able to remain as productive as McDavid throughout their playoff careers is very impressive and something I wouldn’t really expect from any other player in the league. Sort of proves his worth on that front alone.
 
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Three On Zero said:
Draisaitl biggest line combination at ES last season? Hyman - Draisaitl - McDavid

Season before? Hyman - Draisaitl - McDavid

So yes, he’s still heavily stapled with McDavid
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Now do McDavids most common linemates.

This season Nugent-Hopkins and Hyman

So no he wasn’t stapled to McDavid he just had a revolving door of wingers when he wasn’t with McDavid.
 
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authentic said:
I would not say that Datsyuk didn’t hold a candle to them in overall impact, and he was definitely better than Chara at his peak. I believe the impact Datsyuk had was underrated by most hockey fans though, that’s a player who dominated later in his career with a bad leg and Lidstrom long gone. At his peak he was similar to Fedorov in terms of two-way impact, I would indeed say he was a Hart level player.
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Datsyuk and Fedorov both had very short windows of time where they were at all in the conversation for best player in the NHL, and even then it was more of a contrarian opinion than a consensus view.

It’s easy to say players are underrated, but why would they be? It’s not like Datsyuk was playing in obscurity, he was the 1C on a dominant Original Six team in the league throughout his prime. He was in the spotlight constantly. Same with Chara, he was the 1D on probably the most-highlighted team in the NHL after Chicago. If anything those guys (and Fedorov for that matter) benefitted tremendously from the exposure. Think anyone is talking about Datsyuk in the same breath as Crosby if he played in Nashville?
 
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McFlash97 said:
nbv bgh

Switch Draisaitl with Pettersson and even as an avid fan of the Oilers, the Canucks would have wiped the floor with us. Draisaitl makes that much of a difference on any team he plays for.
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Doubtful, nothing more than a wild assumption that that Draisaitl would make that big of an impact on another team.

MessierII said:
The point went over your head I guess
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It’s a Draisaitl thread and not a McDavid thread.
 
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Three On Zero said:
It’s a Draisaitl thread and not a McDavid thread.
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Is it though? Because all you’ve done is bring up McDavid. Weird.

I’ll break it down for you further I guess.

This season at 5 on 5 he spent 416 minutes with McDavid and 790 without.

Season before 409 with McDavid 800 without.

Season before 292 with McDavid 992 without

So no he’s not stapled to McDavid. Not even close.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
Datsyuk and Fedorov both had very short windows of time where they were at all in the conversation for best player in the NHL, and even then it was more of a contrarian opinion than a consensus view.

It’s easy to say players are underrated, but why would they be? It’s not like Datsyuk was playing in obscurity, he was the 1C on a dominant Original Six team in the league throughout his prime. He was in the spotlight constantly. Same with Chara, he was the 1D on probably the most-highlighted team in the NHL after Chicago. If anything those guys (and Fedorov for that matter) benefitted tremendously from the exposure. Think anyone is talking about Datsyuk in the same breath as Crosby if he played in Nashville?
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Yes I believe so. Detroit was far from a powerhouse when he was 6th in points per game at 36 with better advanced stats than Bergeron. That’s more or less as good as any Crosby season after the age of 26 but with way better defense. He was in the conversation with Crosby the same way that Bergeron was in the conversation with players who scored 15-20 more points than him.
 
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He’s on pace to be. A cup would help. But the people discrediting the other contenders (mainly chara and Hossa) are either in their early 20s or smoking crack
 
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