Is Leon Draisaitl on pace to be the best non-“big six” nation hockey player ever?

Is Leon Draisaitl on pace to be the best non-“big six” nation hockey player ever


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McPoyle

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This is a hockey forum first and foremost. Did Mikita ever represent the Slovak Republic, or the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic in hockey? Far as I can tell no. He moved to Canada at a very young age, learned hockey in Canada, and represented Canada in 72. As far as HOCKEY history is considered he is a Canadian hockey player.

 
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wetcoast

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So are you excluding him from being slovakian? You do realize Stan Mikita is not his birthname as well? You writing off him being slovakian simply because he learned to play a f***ing sport in canada is comical
What comical is the amount of time and space you have doubled down on here.

This is hockey forum and the OP asked a hockey question.Stan Makita is as much a Slovakian hockey player as I am or some dude from spain because all 3 of us aren't Slovakian hockey players.

Mikita was born in slovakia yes but his entire hockey experience has been canadian, it's not really a hard concept is it?

Since the OP was clearly asking about ethnicity not place of residence, Mikita makes sense to count as Slovakian since that's where he was born.

You can argue since he was raised in Canada he counts as Canadian for this topic. But I have to imagine the ones who say Mikita is Canadian unironically say Brett Hull is Canadian because he was born there
Brett hull is Canadian because he played most of his formative hockey years and lived those years in Canada.

He isn't a good example here maybe Bryan Trottier is an American hockey player now?
 

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Just borrowing your list:
Draisaitl over…
Kopitar - two time playoff lead scorer, Conn Smythe finalist, 2 Cups: No
Chara - Norris, Cup as captain, multiple Final appearances: No
Josi- Norris, 1 Final: Maybe
Hossa - 3 Cups while playing first line, many Final appearances on three different teams: No

I think this question is being asked way too early.
The question is about pacing for the title not right now and the answer should be a huge yes as no other non Big 6 hockey player has a prime or playoff resume as good as Draisaitl right now.

Also your reliance on final appearances is puzzling to say the least in that Draisaitl has the best playoff resume of any of the guys you mentioned and it's not even really close.
 
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Just borrowing your list:
Draisaitl over…
Kopitar - two time playoff lead scorer, Conn Smythe finalist, 2 Cups: No
Chara - Norris, Cup as captain, multiple Final appearances: No
Josi- Norris, 1 Final: Maybe
Hossa - 3 Cups while playing first line, many Final appearances on three different teams: No

I think this question is being asked way too early.
Draisaitl has won Art Ross, Hart, Ted Lindsay awards. Also has a SCF finals. He's consistently put up some of the best playoff stats in history. And he's nowhere close to being done. To date, his career is already at worst on par with those guys. In the long run, he should easily clear them.
 

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The lack of respect to Anze Kopitar is just staggering.

He's not above Kopitar in any way shape or form. He's won the Byng twice, Selke Twice, and Cup twice as well as put up 1,200+ pts in the NHL in 1300 games. He's the greatest player to ever come out of Slovenia and there's only been one other that made the NHL out of Slovenia briefly - Jan Mursak.
 

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Draisaitl has won Art Ross, Hart, Ted Lindsay awards. Also has a SCF finals. He's consistently put up some of the best playoff stats in history. And he's nowhere close to being done. To date, his career is already at worst on par with those guys. In the long run, he should easily clear them.
Lol making the SCF is some kind of award on its own? IF you award that as something worthy of mention.

Kopitar winning 2 while putting up 46pts in 46 games in those 2 runs as already unreachable.
 

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Lol making the SCF is some kind of award on its own? IF you award that as something worthy of mention.

Kopitar winning 2 while putting up 46pts in 46 games in those 2 runs as already unreachable.
You miss the post I quoted? That person cited a SCF appearance for Josi. I responded back to say Draisaitl has done that too. Also mentioned Hossa's losses on super teams.
 
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Kopitar is two-time playoffs leading scorer while playing Selke-level defense and won the Cup twice with one time being the captain. Both Cup runs he garnered many Conn Smythe votes

Draisaitl has placed third in playoff leading scoring and only once. He has scoring numbers but while playing behind McDavid.
I really don’t think he was captain.
 

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You miss the post I quoted? That person cited a SCF appearance for Josi. I responded back to say Draisaitl has done that too. Also mentioned Hossa's losses on super teams.
Hossa also has 3 cups, is 37th all time in the history of goal scorers in the NHL, and 31st all time for Playoff points, so yeah to be one of the best Slovakian born players in the history of the game is going to put him over Draisaitl too.

Comparing players that have played their entire careers to a player that might reach that status in a perfect world is not going to be an easy argument. But for Kopitar in his case, he's done more than enough and he's still active and so did Hossa when he was. Cups aren't everything but when you're two players that were big parts of those cup wins, yeah it adds to their legacy as it should.
 

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Hossa also has 3 cups, is 37th all time in the history of goal scorers in the NHL, and 31st all time for Playoff points, so yeah to be one of the best Slovakian born players in the history of the game is going to put him over Draisaitl too.

Comparing players that have played their entire careers to a player that might reach that status in a perfect world is not going to be an easy argument. But for Kopitar in his case, he's done more than enough and he's still active and so did Hossa when he was. Cups aren't everything but when you're two players that were big parts of those cup wins, yeah it adds to their legacy as it should.
Isn't Draisaitl like 5th all time in playoff points per game?

None of those players have Art Ross, Ted Lindsay, or Hart trophies except Draisaitl. He's the only one who's been "best in the league".

Good chance Draisaitl overtakes Hossa within 2 playoffs in far less games played.
 
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He is a slovakian by blood n birth who learned hockey in canada. He himself said he was slovakian.

Oh yes, I remember him saying that while wearing his slovakia jersey playing against the USSR for slovakia in the 72 summit series. Really rings a bell
 

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He was a Canadian who had never played hockey before arriving in Canada as a child. It is pretty uncommon that Mikita would be counted as a Slovakian player, despite his birthplace.
I was thinking Mikita as well...but I guess where saying technicality here. He came to Canada when he was 8. Draisaitl has been playing in Canada since he was 17 I think. But there is a difference here, Mikita is Canadian and played internationally for Canada, he was simply born in Czechoslovakia. Draisaitl is German and plays internationally for Germany.
 

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Oh yes, I remember him saying that while wearing his slovakia jersey playing against the USSR for slovakia in the 72 summit series. Really rings a bell
He also played against Czechoslovakia wearing a Canadian jersey.
 

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This is a hockey forum first and foremost. Did Mikita ever represent the Slovak Republic, or the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic in hockey? Far as I can tell no. He moved to Canada at a very young age, learned hockey in Canada, and represented Canada in 72. As far as HOCKEY history is considered he is a Canadian hockey player.


Yeah there totally weren't any geopolitical barriers that prevented him from playing for a Soviet state or anything...
 

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Broken finger and broken rib. Draisaitl has been the best oiler in the playoffs in this era. More consistent than McDavid even.
Reminds me of when Ovechkin and Backstrom put up monster point totals in the playoffs but couldn't make a deep run. Blame it on injuries if you want, and it may be a factor, but Draisaitl has never produced in the later rounds, and doesn't belong anywhere near a conversation about best playoff performers of this decade. McDavid certainly does after proving his worth and then some in those later rounds.
 
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MacMacandBarbie

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Isn't Draisaitl like 5th all time in playoff points per game?

None of those players have Art Ross, Ted Lindsay, or Hart trophies except Draisaitl. He's the only one who's been "best in the league".

Good chance Draisaitl overtakes Hossa within 2 playoffs in far less games played.
Draisaitl has never been the best played in the league. He has had some good seasons, but so has players like Chara, who I can't see him ever surpassing, as he isn't on pace to do so. Chara was in the conversation for best defenseman in the league for a decade, anchored a defense that needed him to play high usage minutes and performed on the largest stage spectacularly many times. I haven't seen Leon shine in the handful of moments his team has been in the brightest of lights, and that is a knock on him.
 
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This is a hockey forum first and foremost. Did Mikita ever represent the Slovak Republic, or the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic in hockey? Far as I can tell no. He moved to Canada at a very young age, learned hockey in Canada, and represented Canada in 72. As far as HOCKEY history is considered he is a Canadian hockey player.

He played for Canada but he’s still of Slovakian descent
 

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Draisaitl has never been the best played in the league. He has had some good seasons, but so has players like Chara, who I can't see him ever surpassing, as he isn't on pace to do so. Chara was in the conversation for best defenseman in the league for a decade, anchored a defense that needed him to play high usage minutes and performed on the largest stage spectacularly many times. I haven't seen Leon shine in the handful of moments his team has been in the brightest of lights, and that is a knock on him.
What about the year where he was the top scorer, most valuable by writers, voted best by fellow players? :laugh:
 

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Draisaitl has never been the best played in the league. He has had some good seasons, but so has players like Chara, who I can't see him ever surpassing, as he isn't on pace to do so. Chara was in the conversation for best defenseman in the league for a decade, anchored a defense that needed him to play high usage minutes and performed on the largest stage spectacularly many times. I haven't seen Leon shine in the handful of moments his team has been in the brightest of lights, and that is a knock on him.
Draisaitl was better than McDavid for the Oilers for a certain period of time, and as somebody who has watched every game both of them have played was absolutely 100% fully deserving of his MVP season.
 
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I was thinking Mikita as well...but I guess where saying technicality here. He came to Canada when he was 8. Draisaitl has been playing in Canada since he was 17 I think. But there is a difference here, Mikita is Canadian and played internationally for Canada, he was simply born in Czechoslovakia. Draisaitl is German and plays internationally for Germany.
8 and 17 is a significant difference especially as it pertains to hockey players, and even more especially when Mikita never played hockey before setting foot in Canada. Also that Mikita became a Canadian citizen and was likely not a Czech/Slovakian citizen ever again, while I would assume that Draisaitl remains a German citizen even if he attains/attained Canadian citizenship. Mikita is relevant though in that he is very likely the correct answer if he is eligible, while Draisaitl is the answer if he is not.

It's a weird discussion in that Mikita has pretty consistently been considered a Canadian player yet some are acting as if that belief is instead the uncommon one. The reasons given for Mikita being a Slovakian player only would lead me to believe that the same people consider say, Owen Nolan not a Canadian player but rather a Northern Irish hockey player and one of the greatest European power forwards of all time. Both born outside of Canada to parents not from Canada, both played for Canada and spent all of their development time in Canada and were citizens of Canada. Good old European star Owen Nolan.
 
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Draisaitl has won Art Ross, Hart, Ted Lindsay awards. Also has a SCF finals. He's consistently put up some of the best playoff stats in history. And he's nowhere close to being done. To date, his career is already at worst on par with those guys. In the long run, he should easily clear them.

Yeah, we don't count stuff that hasn't happened yet.
 
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Toby91ca

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8 and 17 is a significant difference especially as it pertains to hockey players, and even more especially when Mikita never played hockey before setting foot in Canada. Also that Mikita became a Canadian citizen and was likely not a Czech/Slovakian citizen ever again, while I would assume that Draisaitl remains a German citizen even if he attains/attained Canadian citizenship. Mikita is relevant though in that he is very likely the correct answer if he is eligible, while Draisaitl is the answer if he is not.

It's a weird discussion in that Mikita has pretty consistently been considered a Canadian player yet some are acting as if that belief is instead the uncommon one. The reasons given for Mikita being a Slovakian player only would lead me to believe that the same people consider say, Owen Nolan not a Canadian player but rather a Northern Irish hockey player and one of the greatest European power forwards of all time. Both born outside of Canada to parents not from Canada, both played for Canada and spent all of their development time in Canada and were citizens of Canada. Good old European star Owen Nolan.
Brett Hull is an interesting one....born in Canada and spent almost his whole life in Canada (pre-NHL) other than some early years in Chicago area. Some suggest he felt snubbed by Team Canada in the mid-80s so decided to play international hockey with Team USA since his mother is American he was able to do that. I have to imagine he simply wanted to play in the World Championships and that was his opportunity to do so....can see feeling snubbed by Team Canada when he, at the time, was not thought of as close to good enough.
 

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