Is Leon Draisaitl Gonna Break Nathan Mackinnons HART

[McFlyingV]

Some unbelievable highlights from last night. Both sides of the puck. Guy is on a different level this year, if only he had wingers who could score


How about Rantanen, Necas or Makar? Or do they not count? You realize Draisaitl is outscoring McDavid by 16 points?

He's also leading the league in Goals, PPG, EV Goals and GWG. He's better than 34 has ever been and you're in here trying to discredit him because 34 isn't playing well this season.

Also 2nd in 5v5 goals (Mack is 73rd) and 1st in 5v5 points (Mack is 3rd, or 5th if you look at per game). Drai has been an absolute menace.

 

[K1900L]

There is a notable lack of elite goalscorers this year. It will be a good Rocket win but not one that stands out from the Rocket wins in the past four to five years.

This would just make Draisaitl's Rocket even more impressive, in my opinion.

When Matthews reached the 60 in 21-22, there were 3 players with 50 goals, the closest being Draisaitl with 55. There were 5 players within a 15 goal gap behind Matthews, 13 players who scored 40-49 goals.
When Matthews reached the 60+ in 23-24, there were 3 players with 50 goals as well, but only 2 within a 15 goal gap. However, there were 16 players who scored at least 40 goals that year.
When McDavid reached the 60+ in 22-23, there was one player who had 60+, three additional 50+ goal scorers and 14 players with at least 40, but less than 50 goals.

Should Draisaitl reach the 60+, there is a very high possibility that there won't even be one (!) player within a gap of 15 goals, let alone one player cracking the 50. There might not even be more than five or so 40+ goal scorers this year.

Athletice greatness is the distance between a player and his peers.
This would make Draisaitl's scoring-game this year one of the greatest in NHL-history mathematically.

 

[daver]

There is a notable lack of elite goalscorers this year. It will be a good Rocket win but not one that stands out from the Rocket wins in the past four to five years.

This would just make Draisaitl's Rocket even more impressive, in my opinion.

When Matthews reached the 60 in 21-22, there were 3 players with 50 goals, the closest being Draisaitl with 55. There were 5 players within a 15 goal gap behind Matthews, 13 players who scored 40-49 goals.
When Matthews reached the 60+ in 23-24, there were 3 players with 50 goals as well, but only 2 within a 15 goal gap. However, there were 16 players who scored at least 40 goals that year.
When McDavid reached the 60+ in 22-23, there was one player who had 60+, three additional 50+ goal scorers and 14 players with at least 40, but less than 50 goals.

Should Draisaitl reach the 60+, there is a very high possibility that there won't even be one (!) player within a gap of 15 goals, let alone one player cracking the 50. There might not even be more than five or so 40+ goal scorers this year.

Athletice greatness is the distance between a player and his peers.
This would make Draisaitl's scoring-game this year one of the greatest in NHL-history mathematically.

It just shows that the other rocket threats, Matthews, Pasta, McDavid etc. are having off years. It will not be any better than the last three Rocket wins.

 

[Video Nasty]

There is a notable lack of elite goalscorers this year. It will be a good Rocket win but not one that stands out from the Rocket wins in the past four to five years.

Same person tells us that Crosby’s 2013-2014 season is one of the most dominant Art Rosses ever.

 

[Realgud]

It just shows that the other rocket threats, Matthews, Pasta, McDavid etc. are having off years. It will not be any better than the last three Rocket wins.

I'm not sure I understand your logic. So if someone wins the Rocket with 60 goals and second place has 59, to you that is more impressive than someone who wins with 60 goals with second place having let's say 45 goals? I'd like for you to explain that one. Maybe you have your reasons.

 

[PaulD]

Could be.
But he is hands down the top sniper in the NHL.
Goalies worst nightmare.

 

[daver]

I'm not sure I understand your logic. So if someone wins the Rocket with 60 goals and second place has 59, to you that is more impressive than someone who wins with 60 goals with second place having let's say 45 goals? I'd like for you to explain that one. Maybe you have your reasons.

Matthews' 69 goals, McDavid's 64 goals, and Matthews' 60 goals in 73 games > Draisaitl's potential 60 in 82 games.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Matthews' 69 goals, McDavid's 64 goals, and Matthews' 60 goals in 73 games > Draisaitl's potential 60 in 82 games.

But not as impressive as draisaitls 7 100 point seasons with 40 goals each. Lol

 

[Regal]

This would just make Draisaitl's Rocket even more impressive, in my opinion.

When Matthews reached the 60 in 21-22, there were 3 players with 50 goals, the closest being Draisaitl with 55. There were 5 players within a 15 goal gap behind Matthews, 13 players who scored 40-49 goals.
When Matthews reached the 60+ in 23-24, there were 3 players with 50 goals as well, but only 2 within a 15 goal gap. However, there were 16 players who scored at least 40 goals that year.
When McDavid reached the 60+ in 22-23, there was one player who had 60+, three additional 50+ goal scorers and 14 players with at least 40, but less than 50 goals.

Should Draisaitl reach the 60+, there is a very high possibility that there won't even be one (!) player within a gap of 15 goals, let alone one player cracking the 50. There might not even be more than five or so 40+ goal scorers this year.

Athletice greatness is the distance between a player and his peers.
This would make Draisaitl's scoring-game this year one of the greatest in NHL-history mathematically.

No it would just mean other top players didn’t do as well. The league hasn’t suddenly drastically changed since last year. It would be like saying Kucherov’s season last year was a weak Art Ross year because he only beat MacKinnon by 4 points.

 

[Regal]

I'm not sure I understand your logic. So if someone wins the Rocket with 60 goals and second place has 59, to you that is more impressive than someone who wins with 60 goals with second place having let's say 45 goals? I'd like for you to explain that one. Maybe you have your reasons.

If scoring levels are the same, it’s 60 goals regardless. Whether or not another player does similarly well doesn’t take away or add to his feat. Once you get to the 5th, 10th, etc place goalscorers, his lead is not much different than the last couple years. His point wasn’t that that the other usual Richard threats having down seasons makes it worse, but that it doesn’t make it better.

 

[authentic]

Yeah they are really close...both great players...but just for fun...MacK without Makar 5v5, xGF% 48,36.
Drai without McD 5v5, xGF% 56,33%
That's the difference...and keep in mind, MacK has at minimum Rantanen/Necas while Drai played tonight with Perry/Brown and Podkolzin/RV as his regular line mates...

Offensive zone starts MacK:71,5% to Drai 61%.
Drai is often used in defensive situations, that's nothing major but it's noticeable.

Also Drai with 12 more takeaways and 20 less giveaways...that's a difference of 32 possessions...that's huge.
(Just for Info and not related: Makar with great takeaway numbers and Bouch with lots of giveaways).

Actually that’s a pretty solid case for Draisaitl when they’re this close.

 

[psycat]

This would just make Draisaitl's Rocket even more impressive, in my opinion.

When Matthews reached the 60 in 21-22, there were 3 players with 50 goals, the closest being Draisaitl with 55. There were 5 players within a 15 goal gap behind Matthews, 13 players who scored 40-49 goals.
When Matthews reached the 60+ in 23-24, there were 3 players with 50 goals as well, but only 2 within a 15 goal gap. However, there were 16 players who scored at least 40 goals that year.
When McDavid reached the 60+ in 22-23, there was one player who had 60+, three additional 50+ goal scorers and 14 players with at least 40, but less than 50 goals.

Should Draisaitl reach the 60+, there is a very high possibility that there won't even be one (!) player within a gap of 15 goals, let alone one player cracking the 50. There might not even be more than five or so 40+ goal scorers this year.

Athletice greatness is the distance between a player and his peers.
This would make Draisaitl's scoring-game this year one of the greatest in NHL-history mathematically.

But it's just random, if (say) Pastrnak had a good year and would be within 5-10-15(whatever) goals would that somehow make Draisaitl's season less impressive? Makes zero sense.

 

[VainGretzky]

Matthews' 69 goals, McDavid's 64 goals, and Matthews' 60 goals in 73 games > Draisaitl's potential 60 in 82 games.

Lol when Matthews had 69 Reinhart had 57 Hyman 54, Mackinnon 51 matthews was 12 ahead of the next goal scorer this season Draisaitl has 49 next up Nylander 36 a difference of 13 ahead lol context

 

[Pip]

If scoring levels are the same, it’s 60 goals regardless. Whether or not another player does similarly well doesn’t take away or add to his feat. Once you get to the 5th, 10th, etc place goalscorers, his lead is not much different than the last couple years. His point wasn’t that that the other usual Richard threats having down seasons makes it worse, but that it doesn’t make it better.

Are scoring levels the same?

When I look at NHL League Averages | Hockey-Reference.com

The comparable recent years are 2019/2020 and 2018/19. A 60 goal year in this scoring environment seems significant.

Please someone correct me if I’m off base here

 

[benr]

The point is that there’s huge year to year variance when you only look at one player vs one player, a better idea of the scoring environment is had by looking at more than just the second place scorer. Look at lezguewide scoring, look at how the top goal scorers as a group did to give better context.

If a player had hypothetically scored 201 points during Mario’s 199 point season, it wouldn’t be a weak art Ross just because it was won by two points.

 

[avsfan9]

Draisaitl is relevant every 4 or 5 years for best player in the league. MacKinnon is in the race every year. Mackinnon is the better player it is very close this year for mvp, whoever wins the Art Ross wins the hart as well.

 

[Kerberos]

Draisaitl is relevant every 4 or 5 years for best player in the league. MacKinnon is in the race every year. Mackinnon is the better player it is very close this year for mvp, whoever wins the Art Ross wins the hart as well.

What a clueless post. Draisaitl is the model of consistency and has routinely been a top 3 or 4 player in the NHL every season over the course of the past 5 years. And he's definitely having a better season than MacKinnon this year. That will be 2x in the past 3 years Draisaitl has been unquestionably better than MacKinnon.

And up until last season, MacKinnon has never had a case of being anywhere close to McDavid's level. We only have to go back to 2022-23 when McDavid outscored MacKinnon by a whopping 42 points and Draisaitl outscored him by 17. Try and engage your braincells before posting next time.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Draisaitl is relevant every 4 or 5 years for best player in the league. MacKinnon is in the race every year. Mackinnon is the better player it is very close this year for mvp, whoever wins the Art Ross wins the hart as well.

Draisaitl has finished ahead of MacKinnon in points in 6 of the last 8 years, yet was somehow only "relevant", what, twice in that span? Yet the player with poorer production was "in the race" for best player in all of those years?

 

[avsfan9]

Draisaitl has finished ahead of MacKinnon in points in 6 of the last 8 years, yet was somehow only "relevant", what, twice in that span? Yet the player with poorer production was "in the race" for best player in all of those years?

Do you watch hockey? No one has Draisaitl top 3 hockey player in the nhl ever. All the hockey minds, Sports outlets, writers etc… It’s always Mcdavid, Mackinnon and whoever else is the flavour of the day for number 3. It’s not even debatable.

 

[Mr Positive]

MacKinnon will win because it is a narrative driven award and he was great in the 4 nations tournament. Thats not very fair considering Germany wasn't allowed, but fairness doesn't come into it.

Really, if we are following the actual definition of the award, it should be Draisaitl. Its supposed to be the player "most important to his team."

The Oilers have slumped this season but Draisaitl has dragged his team into continued relevance. McDavid has had an off year. Same with Bouchard

MacKinnon has had a much better surrounding cast, and his GM has been more proactive and boosting it further. Makar is as great as ever

 

[yeaher]

Also 2nd in 5v5 goals (Mack is 73rd) and 1st in 5v5 points (Mack is 3rd, or 5th if you look at per game). Drai has been an absolute menace.

Why are we even questioning these two obviously mcdcvid is the best

 

[Mr Positive]

Do you watch hockey? No one has Draisaitl top 3 hockey player in the nhl ever. All the hockey minds, Sports outlets, writers etc… It’s always Mcdavid, Mackinnon and whoever else is the flavour of the day for number 3. It’s not even debatable.

Drai has at least been in the top 5 for all those years though, and he's arguably the best playoff performer in the league

 

[Pip]

The point is that there’s huge year to year variance when you only look at one player vs one player, a better idea of the scoring environment is had by looking at more than just the second place scorer. Look at lezguewide scoring, look at how the top goal scorers as a group did to give better context.

If a player had hypothetically scored 201 points during Mario’s 199 point season, it wouldn’t be a weak art Ross just because it was won by two points.

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[VainGretzky]

Do you watch hockey? No one has Draisaitl top 3 hockey player in the nhl ever. All the hockey minds, Sports outlets, writers etc… It’s always Mcdavid, Mackinnon and whoever else is the flavour of the day for number 3. It’s not even debatable.

Yes I do watch hockey and have since the 1960's And Draisaitl is 7th all-time in NHL history for 100-point seasons 6 he would be at 7 if the Covid shutdown had never happened Jagr had 5