Is Leon Draisaitl Gonna Break Nathan MacKinnon's Hart?

[Toby91ca]

As soon as Rantanen leaves MacGinnon's generational empty net pace fell off a cliff.

Who was really carrying who?

MacGinnon is a zero time scoring champion. One time gimme for the Hart due to the Canadian media. Carried to his cup by a dominant defensive run by arguably the best defensive top 4 per cap hit in the history of the game.

Nobody will remember his name unless he blows out the empty net points record. And without Rantanen he can't do it.

Why not have a reasonable opinion though rather than a beyond biased approach like this?

 

[JoeSakic13]

MacKinnon has 7 pts in his last 2 games.

How dare you bring logic to this realm

 

[Toby91ca]

I am using the same kind of logic that was used in the "McKinnon is best

which is what? Apologies, either can’t remember or didn’t read that thread at all or closely

 

[Toby91ca]

Honestly, watching Kucherov today with the Wings net empty was pathetic......no attempt at defense, cheating every chance to get near blue line, out over red line, staying out for way too long, etc.

 

[The Macho King]

Honestly, watching Kucherov today with the Wings net empty was pathetic......no attempt at defense, cheating every chance to get near blue line, out over red line, staying out for way too long, etc.

Also he dogs it during the AS skills competition.

 

[Paxton Fettel]

Also, Kucherov is Russian, so he is pure evil lol

 

[ijuka]

How about the other 2 primary points?

Those ones were good, but Drai had 2 goals of his own and the poster I was replying to said that this match somehow proved that MacKinnon > Draisaitl. I was saying that while MacKinnon was good, two of his points were freebies.

 

[Fataldogg]

I've had Draisaitl over MacKinnon for a while now. It wouldn't be stealing anything from MacKinnon. Draisaitl has been the overall better player and more important to his team.

 

[Toby91ca]

Those ones were good, but Drai had 2 goals of his own and the poster I was replying to said that this match somehow proved that MacKinnon > Draisaitl. I was saying that while MacKinnon was good, two of his points were freebies.

The one single game didn’t prove anything, but MacKinnon was the better player in that game

 

[HabsCode]

Also, Kucherov is Russian, so he is pure evil lol

What kind of logic is that? People judge player based on their character not their nationality; see Ovechkin and Malkin.

 

[Toby91ca]

What kind of logic is that? People judge player based on their character not their nationality; see Ovechkin and Malkin.

Some people absolutely judge based on nationality, but I think those are few and far between.

 

[tucker3434]

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Never understood the logic with posts like these. Yeah, if you remove the time when your team/player wasn’t playing as well, of course they look great. That’s true for literally everyone. Seasons have ups and downs and it’s the whole package that determines who adds to their trophy case.

If we want to move that arbitrary start date, it’s David Pastrnak who has the most points in 2025.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Kucherov out today with upper body injury. 3rd game missed this year. These nagging injuries might cost him some trophies.

 

[daver]

Kucherov out today with upper body injury. 3rd game missed this year. These nagging injuries might cost him some trophies.

Did he miss the memo that there is no ASG this year?

 

[benfranklin]

Those ones were good, but Drai had 2 goals of his own and the poster I was replying to said that this match somehow proved that MacKinnon > Draisaitl. I was saying that while MacKinnon was good, two of his points were freebies.

Lol what were freebies? I saw an absolute snipe dizzle 5 hole shizzle then 3 primary assists.

Dawg > Leon

 

[authentic]

Thing is Draisaitl is blowing his Art Ross competition away in goal scoring, even strength production (except for Mack), and he's doing it while having incredible on ice 2-way results that none of his competition even come close to. His production also comes almost entirely with a goalie in the net which isn't true of some of his competition.

It’s good to know that the argument I used for Matthews in his Hart season is now gaining the approval of Oilers fans

 

[McFlyingV]

It’s good to know that the argument I used for Matthews in his Hart season is now gaining the approval of Oilers fans

I've never argued against Matthews deserving his Hart, so this really doesn't have any relevance.

 

[Toby91ca]

I've never argued against Matthews deserving his Hart, so this really doesn't have any relevance.

I’m not sure I would have given Matthews the Hart that year. I’m not fussed with it, just not sure he should have gotten it…no one was “snubbed” in my mind though. I think he was more deserving of Pearson though. I think 60 goals was a magic number, hadn’t been done in 10 years and he did it in 73 games. The two Oilers had just won back to back Harts, etc…I bet if he scored 59 goals he wouldn’t have won

 

[daver]

I’m not sure I would have given Matthews the Hart that year. I’m not fussed with it, just not sure he should have gotten it…no one was “snubbed” in my mind though. I think he was more deserving of Pearson though. I think 60 goals was a magic number, hadn’t been done in 10 years and he did it in 73 games. The two Oilers had just won back to back Harts, etc…I bet if he scored 59 goals he wouldn’t have won

McDavid was a bit underwhelming that year; he ironically had a lot of EN points that year so he really wasn't that far ahead of Gaudreau and Huderdeau in points and to Matthews in PPG if one wants to factor that in.

The Lindsay is definitely a trophy that can be given to a player who missed a few games but was solidly the best player when on the ice.

 

[Toby91ca]

McDavid was a bit underwhelming that year; he ironically had a lot of EN points that year so he really wasn't that far ahead of Gaudreau and Huderdeau in points and to Matthews in PPG if one wants to factor that in.

The Lindsay is definitely a trophy that can be given to a player who missed a few games but was solidly the best player when on the ice.

Well....Gaudreau tied for the lead in ENP that year with McDavid with 11.....though, as I've said before, I don't pay too much attention to ENP, point is a point....but for tiebreaker to decide? Sure, I'd go with the guy scoring on goalies. PP vs. EV same thing. That year McDavid and Draisaitl feasted on the PP. Gaudreau led the league in even strength points by a lot, but his problem was probably that 3 guys on that team had 40+ goals.