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Albatros said:
Yes, he's no older than 26 and the KHL doesn't qualify as a major pro league.
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These guys probably didn't know this. Or forgot. I'd take Kuzmenko over 80% of the list for Calder.
 
ItWasJustified said:
That's dumb. A SHL regular season is 52 games.
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The NHL doesn't consider any league other than the wha a major professional league
zar said:
The Calder eligibility should be for any player who has not played more than 40 cumulative games in a major professional league.

The KHL should be considered a major professional league.
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The NHL seems to only have made and used that rule to screw Gretzky out of a Calder because the wha is or was the only league other than the NHL it applies to.
 
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Javaman said:
But why? What is the rationale for arbitrarily restricting the rookie of the year award to such a young age?

If you set 21 as the age limit, then there's a fair chance the Calder winner is not, in fact, the best rookie, but rather the best new, young player in the league. If that's what you're looking for, then just create a new trophy for that.
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Because 18 year olds who play their first games in the NHL are competing with guys with up to 8 more years of development experience. 18-19-20 year olds are very likely the most common age of rookies.

Some players are called a bust by 20, when they haven’t performed. 26 is too old bröther
 
Number 57 said:
Maybe I'm misreading the rule but I'm pretty sure Kuzmenko is NOT eligible, as I wrote in an earlier post.

I don't know why everyone seems to be assuming he is Calder eligible
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Wasn't it a thing that last year Bunting was only eligible by like 2 days? Kuzmenko is only like 5 months younger than Bunting, so that should mean he definitely isn't eligible.
 
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zar said:
Dumb? Meaning 40 games is too many… could you not just say that?
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No, it's dumb to have a game played restriction in a specific league that isn't the NHL. It would be better to just lower the age limit to 24.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
If your rookie season comes even at 30 years old you should be eligible for the Calder right? I mean it's a trophy for rookies
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That's not what the rule is, no. The rule is that you have to be 25 or younger as of September 15 of your rookie season. There are also GP cut-offs, which are that you can't have played more than 25 NHL games in any single preceding season or more than 6 in any 2+ preceding seasons.
 
TheDoldrums said:
Fun fact, while 26 year old Michael Bunting was eligible last year after 26 career NHL games, 21 year old Nick Robertson with 16 career NHL games is not eligible this year.
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Yeah, the NHL needs to update and clarify the wording of who is eligible. If I'm remembering correctly, the wording states that eligible players cannot have more than ## games played in a professional league. But then they don't define what "professional league" is. In some instances the AHL and KHL are considered professional and other times they are not.

I also have another issue with the games played component. No more than 25 games in a single season is fine. But then the "no more than 6 games each in any two preceding seasons" is quite limiting. Especially if said player is just up in the NHL to be a warm body.

My suggestions?:

1. Scrap the "professional league" language. Make it only applicable to the NHL as I think that's what they've been doing.
2. Eliminate the "games played" requirement and do a study to make it "minutes played in the NHL based". Three different limits for forwards, defenders, and goalies.
3. Perhaps lower the age limit to 25 as of September 15th of that season/year.


edit: I came up with the below earlier in the summer.

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I'm a Penguins fan so I used Ryan Poehling and Ty Smith as examples. Using the chart above, Poehling would still be eligible for the Calder but Smith would not.
 
Oinker said:
Calder really should be any rookie, regardless of age. As for Kuzmenko, IMO it’s highly unlikely Vancouver has any individual award winners. But if they do have one, it will be a guy Benning isn’t responsible for, so Kuzmenko.
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Well, he was responsible for Calder winner Elias Pettersson.

Look, I'm glad Benning's gone, but let's not rewrite history.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
That's not what the rule is, no. The rule is that you have to be 25 or younger as of September 15 of your rookie season. There are also GP cut-offs, which are that you can't have played more than 25 NHL games in any single preceding season or more than 6 in any 2+ preceding seasons.
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oh ok so I assume Bunting was atleast 25 at that time so thats why he was eligible at 26,
I guess you have to be within the RFA status and once your old enough to be UFA your no longer eligible. makes sense now that I think of it
 
Arthur Morgan said:
oh ok so I assume Bunting was atleast 25 at that time so thats why he was eligible at 26,
I guess you have to be within the RFA status and once your old enough to be UFA your no longer eligible. makes sense now that I think of it
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He was eligible by 1 or 2 days, can’t remember which.
 
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Albatros said:
Yes, he's no older than 26 and the KHL doesn't qualify as a major pro league.
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Ouch!

Kind of funny how the NHL is the only major pro league in the world, if you ask the NHL. Couldn't they just word it "hasn't played more than 25 games... in the NHL." if they're going to exclude literally every other league with that rule?
 
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25 max, IMO , could be slight higher for European players who came up outside the North American system w different rules and or ice, and North Americans up to like 23 if you haven’t played nhl games


For North American players, if you’re old enough to play in the AHL and you’re in a pro league IMO I only care to give them so much leeway
 
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