Is Kurt Overhardt earning a bad reputation?
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NJ DevLolz
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I don't know. He represents Jaccob Slavin so I think he's alright with Canes management, Slavin himself, and Canes fans right now.
It seems like he's representing his clients well. It's not his job to serve the interests of teams...unless those interests are also his client's interest. Gauthier got what he wanted. Trouba is getting what he wanted. Foote's financial interests were protected as long and as well as they could have been.
It seems like he's representing his clients well. It's not his job to serve the interests of teams...unless those interests are also his client's interest. Gauthier got what he wanted. Trouba is getting what he wanted. Foote's financial interests were protected as long and as well as they could have been.
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He screwed Andrew Copp by playing hardball with Chevy on his RFA negotiation/long term extension, then ended up signing a super cheap 1-year deal because there was no cap left when he finally decided to end the hold-out. Copp obviously became UFA after, but it probably cost him a million dollars or more. The guy starts fires and seems like an absolute donkey to deal with, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if teams avoid his clients.
KingsFan7824
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Sports agents are sort of like defense attorneys; they're there to represent their client. Not the team, league, or even society in general.
Like if Trouba has a no-trade list, then he has every right to turn down a team he doesn't want to go to. His trade value for the Rangers means nothing. That's not Trouba's problem. Not his agent's problem.
Like if Trouba has a no-trade list, then he has every right to turn down a team he doesn't want to go to. His trade value for the Rangers means nothing. That's not Trouba's problem. Not his agent's problem.
Pavel Buchnevich
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One more I found. Seems like he's publicly clashed with Frank Seravalli a few times, and at least once he was flat out lying about.
He's been doing this for years. He has been convincing clients to demand trades at any sign of an issue or putting up unrealistic contract negotiations.
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That's pretty much what he's paid to do. Only problem, from his perspective or his clients' perspective, is if his reputation is so bad that teams won't deal with him, but that isn't going to happen with quality players.
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As agents go, he does appear to be on the outer limits of tolerable behaviour. GMs have been known to steer clear of drafting his players and his nickname has been “Kurt Overcharge” for a reason. That said, there is not a single agent that doesn’t do exactly what his boss, the player he represents, wants him to. Some agents advise their players to conduct themselves honourably. This one clearly does not.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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He was traded there at the trade deadline. Claimed some questionable injury, and then got waived. There were allegations he didn't want to play for Tortorella and this was right around when the Gauthier situation was happening. Friedman speculated that there were hard feelings there between Overhardt and the Flyers in trying to deal with Johansen after Gauthier.
mr figgles
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I can assure you, the Flyers never had any intention of playing him. They took that contract to ensure they got a 1st for Walker
They also intended to buy him out, to which he suddenly claimed an injury and is now going to be on LTIR.
Flyers didn't really care about the salary or taking it on, but they did expect he'd be bought out and gone. Whether that's shade to the player, the team or the agent, don't know, but the shade is there.
If quality players end up taking less because of strong-arming, refusal to work with teams, etc.?
Absolutely, it will.
I don't understand where people think reputations, business negotiations, and how you represent yourself (and your clients!) in these discussions don't have lasting impacts.
Everybody wants their team to win every trade - problem is, if you start doing that, nobody trades with you at some point. It's why GMs are so gun shy now and would rather just stand pat and pray.
Do star players hold teams over the barrel? Absolutely. Do teams do so with star players? Absolutely. You can do it sometimes; and win. You do it all the time, and you lose.
As an agent, you can represent your client's interests professionally - without stepping over the line. If CG wants to be traded, ok? Work it out with the team, and get him traded. Don't go silent treatment like a petulant child, and don't advise your client to do so.
In the NHL, Zeev Buium falling a few spots isn't a big deal - in other sports, and maybe in the next CBA, draft position may affect your compensation - is it worth it then?
Leaking Trouba may not report does what now? The team wants to move him - and he doesn't want to go. There's still 20 teams he can be traded to, why not behave the same way out of spite and move him to the worst of those 20? The team can respond that way - luckily, they are usually more professional. Also, now it's public knowledge and it doesn't benefit the team or the player. And if NYR responds by just scratching him indefinitely? Is that a better solution?
Teams are sometimes stupid, but they do care about maintaining some semblance of image (most do, anyway). But an agent's job is to represent the actions of his client (often very young clients) and educate them how to be professionals. I don't blame the players here. This agent behaves like his very immature clients.
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He managed to keep his client (Trouba) exactly where he wants to be. That is absolutely a win for Overhardt. There are probably guys in the Rangers locker room asking Trouba for Overhardt's contact information so they can switch over. That's not an exaggeration.
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I get why agents try to get every last cent, but imo it's not all about getting every last ounce. They need to have a better understanding of what greed will do to a players reputation as well as the pressure it puts on them to live up to said contract. Especially if they plan to retire in the city they play in. Take a dollar less than a dollar more, buys all sorts of goodwill within a fanbase. Agents live behind closed doors. They have no pressure other than trying to brag how much more they got a player than he deserved.
Fans will turn on any player they believe puts their own self interest ahead of team success. Penny wise pound foolish
Fans will turn on any player they believe puts their own self interest ahead of team success. Penny wise pound foolish
DisgruntledHawkFan
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You can take less and if you suck fans will turn on you all the same.
He does what his client wants he to do. If player wants max money he makes his usual performance to achieve that. If player wants security and smooth negotations (like Slavin) he does that.
If player is a selfish fool, Kurt will do his best to make sure of it that hate will go towards him and not to player. If some GM is afraid to draft players, because of him, that's just a sign that GM is a weak.
Agents will always behave the way their client wants them to behave. Agents just follow players orders to best of their ability
If player is a selfish fool, Kurt will do his best to make sure of it that hate will go towards him and not to player. If some GM is afraid to draft players, because of him, that's just a sign that GM is a weak.
Agents will always behave the way their client wants them to behave. Agents just follow players orders to best of their ability
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