Is Kucherov on Jagr's level?

[The Macho King]

just like McDavid is perfectly built for this era...blinding speed with no trap, clutch and grab, red line, or anything more than simple stick checking as we saw when he went through the whole rangers team on one goal....in jagrs day, one of those players would have went with the hip check or seperated the body from the puck.

Hip checks are still legal?

 

[JJ68]

Hip checks are still legal?

but that;'s my point....nobody today is using them. McDavid never goes through that easily in the 90's

 

[Gurglesons]

Kucherov is above Jagr.

 

[The Macho King]

but that;'s my point....nobody today is using them. McDavid never goes through that easily in the 90's

No one uses them because they tend to pull you out of position.

 

[authentic]

but that;'s my point....nobody today is using them. McDavid never goes through that easily in the 90's

In the 90s his speed and skating advantage would’ve been even greater against those big slow defensemen though

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Great player but no. Jagr scored a ton more goals. Jagr was also head and shoulders better than anyone over a seven year stretch. From 95-02 Jagr's by far the best scorer in the league. He's got a .24 per game lead over Joe Sakic. He's also the leading goal scorer.

If we look at Kucherov under his most favourable conditions he's 4th in points from 16-17 behind Mack and Drai. He's got a .11 PPG lead over those two but they were just breaking into the league at beginning of this comparison. Change it to 2019-2020 and it's dead even.

Jagr was the best scorer in hockey for a good seven years. Kuch is among three guys challenging for 2nd best behind McDavid. And he doesn't score the goals that other players do.

Amazing player, first ballot, franchise talent but no he's not Jagr.

We were just discussing as to whether or not Kuch is a generational talent in another thread. Three Rosses is awesome but I'd say the answer is no. He may have edged out those others for points but his goal numbers aren't as good and he's scoring at a similar pace.

 

[centipede2233]

Kucherov is above Jagr.

Kucherov is 6 ft, jagr is 6 ft 3

 

[Fatass]

Jagr played his prime through the dead puck era which included a lot of slowing guys up with sticks, and interference that is a penalty in Kucherov’s era. A prime Jagr would kill the league now with the way it’s officiated. Kuch, is great too. But he’s a much smaller person. He’d struggle for ice in the dead puck era.
If not comparing era of play and just the player within their own era then I say Kuch is right up there with Jagr but just a tick below.

 

[JFedol]

I love Kuch with all my heart, but I feel like prime Jagr would've easily tied this series up by now.

Florida's a hard opponent though, there's not that much space out there for Kuch and both Hagel and Point fumbled a couple grade A chances.

 

[landy]

Kuch is showing to be a regular season superstar right now. 2 years in a row art ross only to be pimp slapped in round 1 and 3 years in a row round 1 exits.

Guess he needs covid crap or cap circumvention.

 

[JFedol]

Monster game by him today, he still behind Jagr though.

 

[geebster]

Same tier of player, even if people underrate Kucherov way too much. People definitely don't talk about Kucherov the way we used to talk about Jagr but if you watched them both and look at the stats they are on that same tier.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Close but Nope

 

[Coffee]

No one's saying he's better than Jagr?

?

 

[JFedol]

Kinda sucks the talent around Prime/Peak Jagr was lackluster. Dude was easily a 170pt type player.

He, just like Lemieux made scoring look too easy. The perfect blend of size, strength and skill

 

[authentic]

Same tier of player, even if people underrate Kucherov way too much. People definitely don't talk about Kucherov the way we used to talk about Jagr but if you watched them both and look at the stats they are on that same tier.

Except no, they’re really not. Jagr was legitimately better than Ovechkin in his prime. Same can’t be said about Kucherov.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Same tier of player, even if people underrate Kucherov way too much. People definitely don't talk about Kucherov the way we used to talk about Jagr but if you watched them both and look at the stats they are on that same tier.

They aren't the same tier of player. Kucherov is really good but he's not Jagr. Goals are a wide chasm between the two.

 

[authentic]

They aren't the same tier of player. Kucherov is really good but he's not Jagr. Goals are a wide chasm between the two.

McDavid is his main comparable today, not Kucherov

 

[nowhereman]

No, I don't think he is. IMO, he's in the Sakic, Yzerman, Esposito, Mikita, etc. territory, where Jagr is in the tier under Gretzky,Lemieux and Howe with Crosby, McDavid, Beliveau, Bobby Hull, etc. I think if you dropped Kucherov in The Dead Puck era, he'd see a major dip in his totals with the other team water skiing off his back all the time. He's tailor-made for this era and has made the absolute best of it but I don't think that puts him on Jagr's level. I think today's scoring environment creates the illusion that there are somehow 4-5 guys on the same level as the best player of the 90s/early-00s.

 

[Fantomas]

I love Kuch with all my heart, but I feel like prime Jagr would've easily tied this series up by now.

Says a man who either doesn't know about or doesn't remember Jagr's turdtastic playoff performances.

I can buy the argument that Jagr bests Kucherov in the regular season (although it's becoming quite close with each passing year), but as far as playoffs go it's not even bloody close.

 

[Fantomas]

Except no, they’re really not. Jagr was legitimately better than Ovechkin in his prime. Same can’t be said about Kucherov.

This is going to be a no from me dawg. Jagr's one solitary Hart vs. Ovy's 3 put this one to bed, thank you very much.

 

[Fantomas]

Kuch is showing to be a regular season superstar right now.

Please gaslight someplace else. Not everyone here has the memory of a hummingbird.

 

[Regal]

Says a man who either doesn't know about or doesn't remember Jagr's turdtastic playoff performances.

I can buy the argument that Jagr bests Kucherov in the regular season (although it's becoming quite close with each passing year), but as far as playoffs go it's not even bloody close.

Jagr had some duds but he still was the best playoff scorer per game during his prime.

 

[shello]

Points wise there’s a comparison to be made there, but Kuch likely won’t have Jagr’s longevity.

Another factor I consider is era. Jagr put up those numbers not just partially in the dead puck era, but also at a time where the game was so much more physical. I know it’s not fair to compare eras, but I just can’t see Kucherov dominating with a more physical style of play around him

 

[JFedol]

Says a man who either doesn't know about or doesn't remember Jagr's turdtastic playoff performances.

I can buy the argument that Jagr bests Kucherov in the regular season (although it's becoming quite close with each passing year), but as far as playoffs go it's not even bloody close.

LOL Jagr has multiple years of leading his teams at the very least past the 1st round with semi-elite production while playing with a heavily mediocre 1C's at best. The years were Lemieux was retired and Francis returned to Carolina and Jagr legit had NOBODY. His playoff production as a whole is kind of iffy but those years are arguably just on par with what Kuch has accomplished in his entire playoff career.

1999, 2000, 2006, 2007. His 1C's during those years = Kovalev, Straka, Nylander.

Kucherov literally has Point doing a vast percentage of his damage offensively (zone entries, breakouts) which makes it easier for him to set up and execute plays. He also has an abundance of luxuries team wise (elite D man, elite goalie). Jagr on the other hand, had again, nobody, not a single f***ing soul that was worth of genuine skill, doing any of that shit that Point was doing. Pens defense was mid, Barasso was sstill elite but I don't he was that good. I could be misremembering. Jagr in his prime was the entire offensive focal point for his respective teams, just like how McDavid is for Edmonton, but he did it as a winger.

If Kuch was on Jagr's level, realistically, he would've won these past 2 rosses with a centre like Cirelli centering him.

And I don't think it's becoming close at all in the regular season, what Jagr accomplished from 1996-2001 is 100x more impressive especially with the f***ing era that he played in. The league wasn't rewarding soft ass perimeter players at all who float like Kuch does to an enormous degree. Dude lead the league in EVP with a 103pt margin at 453, next best was Selanne at 350. 2nd in PPG at 1.54, just behind him was Lindros at 1.33. 4 consecutive rosses while at times only playing 63 games. Had a way more deadlier lethal shot, elite size, strength, puck possession game that only Crosby rivals. His playoff totals as well are elite as well, he was 4th during those 6 years only trailing Sakic, Forsberg and Fedorov, 1st in PPG, 3rd in EVP playoff points. Kucherov has his insanely impressive stretch from 2016-Present, but he's only 6th in EVP and kind of dores most of his damage PP wise. The vision, and passing still generate chances but Jagr had all of that paired with size, and brute strength.

Kucherov lowkey is a product of this butter soft physicality where currently witnessing in this era. Jagr was legit the complete package as a player. His attitude and his weaknesses may have done some damage and could've been the reason why the Pens didn't go far back then. Back I'd still take him over Kuch anyday.