Is KHL still the best league in Europe?

[mattihp]

The biggest problem with the AHL isn't the player pool in itself as much as it is their purpose of being there. Talented players are in the league only to eventually develop into NHLers, not to play good hockey as teams or even just win games. Teammates are often rivals competing for the same place in the Sun.

Coaching is a real mixed bag too, from pretty much NHL quality to players saying it was extremely basic.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

The SHL level of play is pretty good, it might even challenge the KHL if they where able to pay the best Swede to play in it.

As an oilers fan, I cant really get on board of comparing the SHL to the KHL, when I see guys like Ty Rattie that couldn't consistently crack the top 6 of a middling KHL team that was made of Anton Lander and Magnus Paajarvi, to lead the whole SHL (2nd) pts (3rd goal)

 

[mattihp]

The SHL level of play is pretty good, it might even challenge the KHL if they where able to pay the best Swede to play in it.

As an oilers fan, I cant really get on board of comparing the SHL to the KHL, when I see guys like Ty Rattie that couldn't consistently crack the top 6 of a middling KHL team that was made of Anton Lander and Magnus Paajarvi, to lead the whole SHL (2nd) pts (3rd goal)

It's quite a bit about style too. Sakari Manninen was a point machine in the KHL but could not figure out Swedish defences.

André Petersson also scored at a significantly better clip in the KHL.

The KHL is still better, but you can find lots of Players who did well in one of the leagues and significantly worse ib the other. Watch the games and you will see that the gap is not enormous.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

It's quite a bit about style too. Sakari Manninen was a point machine in the KHL but could not figure out Swedish defences.

André Petersson also scored at a significantly better clip in the KHL.

The KHL is still better, but you can find lots of Players who did well in one of the leagues and significantly worse ib the other. Watch the games and you will see that the gap is not enormous.

Really?

I would not say that 255pts in 327game for 0.77 ppg in the KHL
is significantly better than 63pts in 76 games for 0.83 ppg in the SHL.

If anything he is a bit past his prime at 33 year old and he still score at a higher rate in the SHL than his whole KHL days.

I don't watch a lot of SHL games I give you that, but it have more to do with how cumbersome getting access to them it is than anything else, if you have a legit subscription model suggestion, I might give it an honest try

 

[Imgoingtowork]

National teams are bigger hockey circulation.

I only watching Germany meet Slovakia in this year's championship.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

Much KHL skillfully in Olympics 2018.

 

[Fil]

No, the depth is atrocious. The best czech players there are really good, but it gets thin quickly. The fact that Swedish HA players aren't completely embarrassed there says it all.

As a czech I can confirm, though depth is actually pretty good for teams like Dynamo,Sparta and Trinec (3 richest teams I think)

Liiga has gotten much worse and there is no way the AHL is better than the SHL. Otherwise the order is correct. I would have it like this:

KHL
SHL
AHL
NLA

Liiga

DEL
Extra liga

The AHL has too many players gifted a roster spot for development to beat the SHL.

And no way you put DEL over extraliga.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

KHL
SHL
AHL
NLA

Liiga

DEL
Extra liga

First right as my fame that KHL first SHL second or third most proficient in Europe.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

The world's best hockey league is in North America, everyone knows damn I was speaking true, however, the KHL is not inferior the NHL, however, there were hockey class Russians and hockey talent Russians in Russia, the NHL is international league I have right or incorrect?

 

[Imgoingtowork]

With all non-russians leaving, the quality of the league has dropped, but is it still the best leauge in Europe?

The KHL certainly biggest league in Europe.

 

[LoneRangerNHL]

The KHL probably has better high end talent (most talented top players and most talented top teams), but the average level of competition may already be higher at the SHL and the lack of international players will hurt the KHL even further. Hockey is an international sport and a domestic league of an international sport that doesn't have international players will soon be relegated. Its early in the process yet, but I would say they've opened a huge lane for the SHL to take the baton as the undisputed #2 in the world.

Number 2 in the world is still the AHL.
There’s guys like Kevin Dallman who couldn’t do much in the states, pros or minors, but in Russia he was a rock star.

 

[Sol]

I’m sorry guys but it’s a yes. As much as the Scandinavians don’t like it, the Slavs still rein supreme.

 

[Caser]

Number 2 in the world is still the AHL.
There’s guys like Kevin Dallman who couldn’t do much in the states, pros or minors, but in Russia he was a rock star.

And Shestyorkin wasn't a full-time starter in the KHL, but is a star in the NHL, so by your logic AHL >> NHL.

 

[Zine]

Number 2 in the world is still the AHL.
There’s guys like Kevin Dallman who couldn’t do much in the states, pros or minors, but in Russia he was a rock star.

It's difficult to compare the AHL to the KHL, SHL, NL, etc. because its primary purpose is development. Winning isn't priority #1.

Even so, tons of Russian guys have said it's not a very skilled league. It's extremely physical but quite lacking in combination play.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

The Swiss league is not as strong as the KHL.

The Russians have compare to the NHL.

Actually small benefit to the NHL.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

Russians consider the KHL means best league.

 

[alko]

Russians consider the KHL means best league.

If you want to understand Russians, you must think like a Russian!

 

[LoneRangerNHL]

And Shestyorkin wasn't a full-time starter in the KHL, but is a star in the NHL, so by your logic AHL >> NHL.

I just looked up his stats, he was dominant in KHL. His last year there he had a 1.11 GA. Played at least 50% of games. Didn’t even know he played in KHL. Thanks for tip!!

 

[Imgoingtowork]

Number 2 in the world is still the AHL.

Joke.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

But is it still the best leauge in Europe?

I tells you.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Number 2 in the world is still the AHL.
There’s guys like Kevin Dallman who couldn’t do much in the states, pros or minors, but in Russia he was a rock star.

Dallman played 154 games in the NHL. Not sure why you'd think he wouldn't have been a very top AHL player throughout the prime years he spent in the KHL (Was 27-37 when he played there). Canadian guys like Bud Holloway, Greg Scott, Chris Abbott, Brendan Shinnimin, Adam Tambellini, Maximillian Veronneau that had good careers in the SHL never really made it to the NHL.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

Chris Abbott, Adam Tambellini

Really good Canadians in the SHL.