Is John Tavares a Hall of Fame Center?

[Legion34]

When did the HoF become the Hall of Decent?

I look forward to RNH’s induction to the HoF since he had a higher peak than Tavares.

RNH was a 2 time hart finalist and missed the Ross by a point? Really?


When they inducted roenick. Sedin etc.

A top 30 all time goal scorer will easily be in. It’s not remotely a question.

Again. After 15 years he is 3rd in total goals.
He has outscored Crosby and Kane

 

[Nostradumbass]

RNH was a 2 time hart finalist and missed the Ross by a point? Really?


When they inducted roenick. Sedin etc.

A top 30 all time goal scorer will easily be in. It’s not remotely a question.

Again. After 15 years he is 3rd in total goals.
He has outscored Crosby and Kane

I guess when you cheer for a losing franchise, a “close loss” feels like a win.

The last time Tavares scored 100+ points he was playing in the OHL. Being good for a long time isn’t equal to being great.

 

[Legion34]

I guess when you cheer for a losing franchise, a “close loss” feels like a win.

The last time Tavares scored 100+ points he was playing in the OHL. Being good for a long time isn’t equal to being great.

What does any of this have to do with anything?

Since he entered the league he is 3rd in goals and 5th in points over 16 seasons.

More goals than Crosby/kane.

 

[John Mandalorian]

When did the HoF become the Hall of Decent?

I look forward to RNH’s induction to the HoF since he had a higher peak than Tavares.

Meh. That’s a sports talk radio trope. You’re repackaging “hall of very good”. Honestly, it’s ok if players like him make it in. But let’s just not have double standards. He shouldn’t get in because he played in LI or Toronto while a similar player who played in Utah is not getting in.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

lol no way. If Tavares is then Giroux definitely is

Not with 300 goals. Look at the top 100 point scorers that haven’t qualified. They are generally folks who don’t score 500+ goals.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

When did the HoF become the Hall of Decent?

I look forward to RNH’s induction to the HoF since he had a higher peak than Tavares.

Just needs 230 more goals and 350 more points in the next 3 years.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

i never said it. I dont think of JT as among the best in the league.

You never said there was many others that should be in? Unless you are referring to people who aren’t even eligible?

 

[Leafidelity]

Yep. Definitely will.

People will say its Toronto bias; there will be tears.

But in comparison to his generations peers, he will be there.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

He's so unremarkable in every way.

That said.. the mathematical bar is:
Is he considered one of the top 40 players during a decade of his career?

(4 inductees per year).

I think yeah he was a top-40 player for a decade during his 10 most productive seasons.


But yeah.... oof. What a bland player and bland pick. Lower end of the 'star' spectrum.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You never said there was many others that should be in? Unless you are referring to people who aren’t even eligible?

Sorry for not being clear. My attention was divided.

I meant I never said that my criteria held any weight.

 

[ORRFForever]

I guess when you cheer for a losing franchise, a “close loss” feels like a win.

The last time Tavares scored 100+ points he was playing in the OHL. Being good for a long time isn’t equal to being great.

He's been better than "good".

Yes, he should be in.

 

[stator]

Hall of Massive Doucheness

During his free agency, he meets with the Sharks. Turns out he never wanted to go to SJ, he had already decided on TOR and he just strung the Sharks along. Gotto a free fancy dinner out of it.

And then the whole 'I love the Islanders, I will stay' fakeness.

Not just a free dinner but very likely a free 1st class trip to San Jose. Probably flew in the owner's private jet, and stayed at the best suite in the hotel. All awhile he toured the bay area while thinking Doug Wilson is a sucker.

 

[islesfan3913]

He’s going to end his career with amazing numbers, but his complete lack of hardware along with me believing that I don’t think players should get in for just being a good first liner for 18 years makes me say I don’t think he should get in. I do think longevity and being able to stay healthy/play a long time while maintaining high end play means a lot, but players get beat up much less than they used to so even that is becoming less and less impressive. Having said that, I’m also a small HOF type of guy and think it’s way too easy for players to get in. Just as a comparison, the baseball HOF started 10 years before hockey’s and pro baseball has about a 40 year head start, and the hockey HOF still has 50 more player members. And there’s people who believe that even the baseball HOF is too easy to get into at times (myself included).

 

[Plastic Joseph]

RNH was a 2 time hart finalist and missed the Ross by a point? Really?


When they inducted roenick. Sedin etc.

A top 30 all time goal scorer will easily be in. It’s not remotely a question.

Again. After 15 years he is 3rd in total goals.
He has outscored Crosby and Kane

People are so quick to forget the DPE 2.0 from like 2011-2016. Scoring 100 basically guaranteed you an art Ross in those years.

JT was a top 5 if not top 3 player at his prime. 2x hart finalist. He was elite.

He's also had great longevity. Most people hate him for going to Toronto and I understand it, but he is absolutely a HOFer

 

[Plastic Joseph]

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He’s going to end his career with amazing numbers, but his complete lack of hardware along with me believing that I don’t think players should get in for just being a good first liner for 18 years makes me say I don’t think he should get in. I do think longevity and being able to stay healthy/play a long time while maintaining high end play means a lot, but players get beat up much less than they used to so even that is becoming less and less impressive. Having said that, I’m also a small HOF type of guy and think it’s way too easy for players to get in. Just as a comparison, the baseball HOF started 10 years before hockey’s and pro baseball has about a 40 year head start, and the hockey HOF still has 50 more player members. And there’s people who believe that even the baseball HOF is too easy to get into at times (myself included).

The lack of hardware thing doesn't make sense to me. Hart finalist is basically hardware. Only 1 guy can win the Hart, it doesn't mean everyone else who didn't is in the same category. He was 2nd for the art Ross also by 1 point.

If you only look at hardware you see nothing. If you even dive 1 foot deep into context you see how close he was to being MVP a few times. Closer than a lot of superstars. Sundin and Modano have no hardware either.

A "good first liner" doesn't get 2 Hart nominations. Elite , elite players do.

 

[Kennedys]

Anyone with 500+ goals should be

 

[TheBeastCoast]

All this blustering about for a guy everyone deep down knows is going to end up in the Hall of Fame whether they like it or not lmao

 

[islesfan3913]

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The lack of hardware thing doesn't make sense to me. Hart finalist is basically hardware. Only 1 guy can win the Hart, it doesn't mean everyone else who didn't is in the same category. He was 2nd for the art Ross also by 1 point.

If you only look at hardware you see nothing. If you even dive 1 foot deep into context you see how close he was to being MVP a few times. Closer than a lot of superstars. Sundin and Modano have no hardware either.

A "good first liner" doesn't get 2 Hart nominations. Elite , elite players do.

You can’t just say that being a finalist or being close to winning an award is “basically hardware.” The fact is that it isn’t hardware in any way. I’m willing to bet there’s multiple players who have been finalists for awards they haven’t won. It really isn’t ever thought about though because it doesn’t mean much if you don’t win.

I’d also disagree about him being all that elite for his career. If he has a point per game this season, that’ll only be the sixth time he’s ever had one, and most of them are barely over point per game. He’s had years where he’s been elite overall, but very rarely has he ever been one of the top 15-20 players/forwards in the league in any given season and most certainty has never done it over multiple seasons.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

You can’t just say that being a finalist or being close to winning an award is “basically hardware.” The fact is that it isn’t hardware in any way. I’m willing to bet there’s multiple players who have been finalists for awards they haven’t won. It really isn’t ever thought about though because it doesn’t mean much if you don’t win.

I’d also disagree about him being all that elite for his career. If he has a point per game this season, that’ll only be the sixth time he’s ever had one, and most of them are barely over point per game. He’s had years where he’s been elite overall, but very rarely has he ever been one of the top 15-20 players/forwards in the league in any given season and most certainty has never done it over multiple seasons.

What I mean is that if you are a Hart finalist that should absolutely go on your resume as an accomplishment.

Finishing top 3 is not the same as being a 4th liner. Neither gets the trophy, but top 3 is a huge accomplishment too


For the first 6 or 7 years of his career finishing ppg was a top 5 finish most years. If scoring was up like today tavares would probably have a few 100 pt seasons. Again, 2 hart finalists > # of raw ppg total seasons

 

[Zybalto]

Adjusted Hockey

Great site that tries to math things out. Only takes into account NHL regular season, playoffs and best on best International play. (up to the end of last season)

Top active forwards pacing to make(or not make) the HHOF on this criteria:

Inner circle (best of the best):
Crosby
Jagr
Ovi
McDavid

Qualified (Exceeds the standard):
Malkin
Kane
Stamkos
Kucherov
MacKinnon
Matthews
Marchand
Draisaitl
Pastrnak

Borderline + (Slightly exceeds the standard)
Tavares
Kopitar
Panarin

Borderline - (Slightly below the standard)
Perry
Rantanen

Hall of very good (Below Standard)
Benn
Giroux
Barkov

All other active forwards with work to do.

With another solid year under his belt, Tavares is going to climb higher on the list and will probably join the next group by next year. Add in the fact this doesnt include junior play (and HHOF voters will) and Tavares is a near lock at this point. Playoff success his last few years would certainly put an exclamation point on it all.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

1000 points usually gets u in doesnt it? it wont be right away but eventually when they need a name, he will get the call

 

[Zybalto]

That website fun to poke around in.

Recently retired guys chances:

Qualified (Exceeds the standard):
Thronton
Bergeron

Borderline + (Slightly exceeds the standard)
Toews (just one point off the next tier. Injuries really hurt him)
Pavelski

Borderline - (Slightly below the standard)
Getzlaf
Kovalchuk

Hall of very good (Below Standard)
Backstrom
Staal



Biggest subs from the past among forwards :

Qualified (Exceeds the standard):
LeClair
Tkachuk
Mogilny
Fleury

Borderline + (Slightly exceeds the standard)
Elias
Zetterberg
Palffy

Theres certainly hope for those who dont want to see Tavares in. The problem is that if Tavares stays healthy, hes going to well outpace all these guys.

 

[Nostradumbass]

You can’t just say that being a finalist or being close to winning an award is “basically hardware.” The fact is that it isn’t hardware in any way. I’m willing to bet there’s multiple players who have been finalists for awards they haven’t won. It really isn’t ever thought about though because it doesn’t mean much if you don’t win.

I’d also disagree about him being all that elite for his career. If he has a point per game this season, that’ll only be the sixth time he’s ever had one, and most of them are barely over point per game. He’s had years where he’s been elite overall, but very rarely has he ever been one of the top 15-20 players/forwards in the league in any given season and most certainty has never done it over multiple seasons.

The Oilers basically won the Stanley Cup last year.

 

[qcal1427]

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The lack of hardware thing doesn't make sense to me. Hart finalist is basically hardware. Only 1 guy can win the Hart, it doesn't mean everyone else who didn't is in the same category. He was 2nd for the art Ross also by 1 point.

If you only look at hardware you see nothing. If you even dive 1 foot deep into context you see how close he was to being MVP a few times. Closer than a lot of superstars. Sundin and Modano have no hardware either.

A "good first liner" doesn't get 2 Hart nominations. Elite , elite players do.

Hart finalist definitely means something. It is not hardware. When it comes to the Hall of Fame that makes a difference.

Ovi for years "basically" had a conference finals appearance. McDavid "basically" won a cup last year.

 

[Opus]

Given previous concessions they've made for others - 100%