Is John Tavares a Hall of Fame Center?

[BlueBull]

433 Goals, 558 Assists, 991 Points, 1043 Games.
1 Time All-Star Team

He is approaching 1000 Points and he only just turned 33, but there have been a lot of people talking about how much of a liability he is as a captain, so I'm questioning if he is Hall of Fame calibre...

Is he a Hall of Fame calibre?

Let's Discuss.

 

[blundluntman]

Eh. I don't think so.

 

[CycloneSweep]

A tier below. His only accolade is that 1-Time Allstar really hurts him

 

[Sasha Orlov]

No and he’s not close

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I am a high bar HOF guy and I already think the standard has dropped too low. The way I see it is if you have to ask or think about it then that player doesn’t belong

 

[leafsfan2point0]

If he stays healthy he’ll be in. People like to complain he’s slowed down, but in reality is still very very good.

 

[weaponomega]

no way

Maybe. I'd say he's comparable to Pierre Turgeon and he just go in

 

[Kevin27nyi]

no way

Maybe. I'd say he's comparable to Pierre Turgeon and he just go in

That’s what I was thinking too. Still lean no.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Hall of Massive Doucheness

During his free agency, he meets with the Sharks. Turns out he never wanted to go to SJ, he had already decided on TOR and he just strung the Sharks along. Gotto a free fancy dinner out of it.

And then the whole 'I love the Islanders, I will stay' fakeness.

 

[klefbombs shoulder]

He will get in, but I don't think he should. The HHOF has much too low a bar for entry IMO (unless you are European).

He's roughly a top 10 center during his career with a peak in the top 3 perhaps. Is that enough? I personally don't think so but the committee probably disagrees.

Hall of Massive Doucheness

During his free agency, he meets with the Sharks. Turns out he never wanted to go to SJ, he had already decided on TOR and he just wanted the Sharks to take him out to a free fancy dinner.

And then the whole 'I love the Islanders, I will stay' fakeness.

I doubt he did all that for one free meal lol.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Getting 1000pts is not the ticket anymore. He needs individual hardware and/or something notable about the way he plays. He's not re-inventing the center position, so it couldn't be something like that.

 

[Recipe Unlimited]

I think it's conceivable. A cup or good longevity (1250 career points) would help his case.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

At some point probably. Being a Leaf will probably help him cut the line so he doesn't need to wait very long.

 

[Judas Tavares]

If he can reach 500 goals and 1,250 points, which I don't think is unreasonable, he would be in the top 50 in goals and top 40 in points. That starts a conversation and would be enough if he had a multitude of Cups and awards. But since he doesn't, he likely needs more.

But to do that, he essentially needs to maintain around an average of low 20s in goals and about 50 points in the next 5 years. Again, I think that is reasonable enough, especially if he can surpass those averages by a fair bit in the next couple seasons, giving him more room for regression. I think if he's able to reach 550 goals and 1,300 points, it becomes tough to leave him out even without awards. Pretty sure everyone with those totals are either in or going to be in, but I am not Hall expert by any means.

 

[Ugene Magic]

He needs more, simply put. He has time to make it easier for him.

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

If Dave Andreychuk got in, he’s probably getting in

 

[Primary Assist]

If he wins a Cup with the Leafs, then yes, absolutely. So realistically the answer to your question is no.

 

[Tairy Greene]

Let's say he plays another 4 years and finishes with over 1200 points but doesn't win a cup. Would his career be all that different from Sundin or Alfredsson?

 

[CokenoPepsi]

He is getting in.

He should finish over 500 goals, probably 1200 points, Canadian, played in Toronto.

I am someone who has a high standard for the Hall and while he wouldn't get in mine (along with many other recents) he is getting in this one

 

[Coffey]

Let's say he plays another 4 years and finishes with over 1200 points but doesn't win a cup. Would his career be all that different from Sundin or Alfredsson?

When you're right, you're right.

 

[12ozPapa]

Where is the “he’s a bad captain” thing coming from?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Let's say he plays another 4 years and finishes with over 1200 points but doesn't win a cup. Would his career be all that different from Sundin or Alfredsson?

No, man. Those players were better than John. If you watched them, you would know. He is probably going in, and I don’t like it. Don’t like his style. Too soft, and too robotic. Very uninspiring player. Sundin and Alfie are way better players.

 

[serp]

If Dave Andreychuk got in, he’s probably getting in

Well only if Tavavers starts having more playoff success. He's won 2 playoff rounds in his career so far.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Yeah pretty obviously

 

[Tairy Greene]

No, man. Those players were better than John. If you watched them, you would know. He is probably going in, and I don’t like it. Don’t like his style. Too soft, and too robotic. Very uninspiring player. Sundin and Alfie are way better players.

I grew up watching them. I agree that Alfie and Mats were superior players to Tavares, but their career stats and lack of hardware (the argument against Tavares)are comparable and I think JT gets in eventually.