Is Jamie Benn's Art Ross win the worst of all time?

[blundluntman]

Probably the worst Art Ross win I've ever seen. Do you agree or is there a worse performance in modern history (post 1967)?

 

[dalewood12]

The shortened 2012-13 Art Ross win by Martin St. Louis (60 points) was kinda loopy and was definitely not predicted going into the season.

It was Crosby's to lose until he got hit in the face with a puck and missed 12 games.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

It was Crosby's to lose until he got hit in the face with a puck and missed 12 games.

Generational talent + generational bad luck.

 

[blundluntman]

The shortened 2012-13 Art Ross win by Martin St. Louis (60 points) was kinda loopy and was definitely not predicted going into the season.

It was Crosby's to lose until he got hit in the face with a puck and missed 12 games.

True but 60 in 48 is much better than 87 in 82 to me. St Louis was a more esteemed player too. But yeah, it was very disappointing that Crosby didn't win that year. He was otherworldly

 

[account deactivated]

I'm a Stars fan, so I'm sure there is some bias, but I don't remember a race coming down to the wire like that before.

He started out 1 point behind Tavares and Crosby on the final day of the season and they all played that night. Crosby was held off the scoresheet (which surprised me because I thought he was gonna take it that night no problem), but I remember watching at home as the Stars broadcast showed every time Tavares added a point to his totals (I think he had 2 that night IIRC), so when there were only a few minute left and Benn was still sitting at 2 points for the night, I thought it was lost. Then he comes back and gets 2 more in those last couple of minutes to slide in and take the lead and the win in like the last minute or something.

Call it weak if you want, but that shit was an exciting way to end the season.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I voted yes but he still won a dman Art Ross. lol

 

[SillyRabbit]

No?

It was a tight race and Benn was playing at an elite level that season.

Just because scoring was down doesn't mean it was weak.

I like the part where you gave any sort of basis whatsoever on it being a "weak performance."

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Yes, but not because of the point totals- it was an extremely low scoring season.

The Stars runned and gunned and were the only team in the league at the time to do so- Stars games averaged 6.3 gpg while the league as a whole averaged 5.3. So he wasn't deserving talent-wise, but the system his team played gave him more opportunities than everyone else.

 

[93LEAFS]

This is an objective trophy. The idea they are wrong winners is ridiculous.

 

[JaegerDice]

Lol, no.

It was a low scoring season. He outscored a lot of elite talent.

If anything, doesnt it suggest that when it’s toughest to score, he’s the guy you want?

 

[Zuluss]

In 2014/15, Benn carried 7% lead over #5 in points and 19% lead over #10 in points.
Comparable wins: MSL 2012/13 (9% and 22%), McDavid 2017/18 (11% and 21%), MSL 2003/04 (15% and 19%).
In Benn's year, #10 scored just 73 points, so the difference in the leads between him and, say, MSL 2012/13 is only 2 points, which to me looks negligible.

Benn's 2014/15 leads were indeed more typical of a runner-up than an Art Ross winner. In fact, Benn himself posted very similar leads in 2015/16 when he finished 2nd behind Kane (Benn's leads over #5 and #10 were 9% and 16%). Gaudreau/Huberdeau posted very similar leads in 2021/22, when they were tied 2nd behind McDavid (with 6% lead over #5 and 19% lead over #10). Crosby posted exact same leads when he finished 2nd behind McDavid in 2016/17.

 

[HFpapi]

He’ll be the first ever Art Ross winner to not end up in the HOF and it’s one of the lowest scoring wins ever.

There’s no way the answer isn’t yes.

Find me a worse one in terms of both quality of player & actual production.

 

[Sky04]

The shortened 2012-13 Art Ross win by Martin St. Louis (60 points) was kinda loopy and was definitely not predicted going into the season.

It was Crosby's to lose until he got hit in the face with a puck and missed 12 games.

Lol what, MSL was 2nd in the league and a Hart finalist 2 seasons prior, him and Stamkos were one of the top duos in the league, he was definitely one of the candidates. You're talking like it was out of left field when the guy had 2 top-5 scoring finishes in the previous 3 years.

 

[Albatros]

I'll take a full season over a shortened one.

 

[ijuka]

The shortened 2012-13 Art Ross win by Martin St. Louis (60 points) was kinda loopy and was definitely not predicted going into the season.

It was Crosby's to lose until he got hit in the face with a puck and missed 12 games.

Predicted or not, 60 points in 48 is solid. That paces for over 100 points over 82 games.

Benns was easily the worst ever.

 

[daver]

It was so bad that he should have won the Bart Ross (Art's slow brother) Trophy instead.

 

[GreeningOil]

Those seasons were painful. I am glad scoring is up.

Not the worst player to win this Trophy, but certainly one of the most boring seasons for the trophy to be awarded.

 

[blundluntman]

No?

It was a tight race and Benn was playing at an elite level that season.

Just because scoring was down doesn't mean it was weak.

I like the part where you gave any sort of basis whatsoever on it being a "weak performance."

I gave an opinion, not a dissertation. It’s an open ended question where everybody’s free to offer their input. I’m not trying to convince anybody to vote one way or another

Btw who would you say was worse in your opinion?

 

[Unspecified]

Only because in the eyes of a lot of people Dallas is not a traditional hockey market so therefore should not win anything. Look at all the shit you give Dallas about Hull's OT goal to win the cup. Had Benn been on Montreal or some other popular team this would never be a topic.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Only because in the eyes of a lot of people Dallas is not a traditional hockey market so therefore should not win anything. Look at all the shit you give Dallas about Hull's OT goal to win the cup. Had Benn been on Montreal or some other popular team this would never be a topic.

No goal

 

[Snuggs]

Only because in the eyes of a lot of people Dallas is not a traditional hockey market so therefore should not win anything. Look at all the shit you give Dallas about Hull's OT goal to win the cup. Had Benn been on Montreal or some other popular team this would never be a topic.

I actually think it's a whole seperate issue.

Jamie Benn is just a DB. I don't like him, so yeah it's easy to hate. He's the worst Art Ross winner ever.

He's never been a top 20 talent at forward ever in the league. When you bring up the past winners his name shouldn't even be mentioned with them. Easily the flukiest, luckiest win of a trophy ever.

Plus he's a DB, so he gets a lot of additional points and stigma for that.

 

[Voight]

I actually think it's a whole seperate issue.

Jamie Benn is just a DB. I don't like him, so yeah it's easy to hate. He's the worst Art Ross winner ever.

He's never been a top 20 talent at forward ever in the league. When you bring up the past winners his name shouldn't even be mentioned with them. Easily the flukiest, luckiest win of a trophy ever.

Plus he's a DB, so he gets a lot of additional points and stigma for that.

I'd argue he was easily a top 20 forward, probably top 10 in 2015 & 2016.

 

[blundluntman]

This is an objective trophy. The idea they are wrong winners is ridiculous.

There's a difference between a wrong winner and an unimpressive winner. The poll infers the latter

 

[Kairi Zaide]

This is an objective trophy. The idea they are wrong winners is ridiculous.

Nodody's saying Benn is a "wrong" winner. The discussion is about whether he's the "worst" winner ever of this "objective" trophy. Big difference.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

He was peak Todd Bertuzzi for a year but then declined since then.