Is Jagr the greatest European player of all time?

[Randyne]

You brought up trophy count by teammates to try and diminish the amount Jagr won because he played with Lemieux.

No it was the answer to top3 finishes. Why try to diminish already poor hardware (comparing to Ovechkin)?
Ovechkin has 2x time more trophies than Jagr. Alone without any generational help. It should be more than enough to put him above anyone from Europe.
If it's not enough then try to comprehend this: without robbery it would be 2.44x times more. 22 awards vs 9.
3x Ross
4x Harts
3x Pearson
10x Rockets
1x Smythe
1x Calder
22 is 2nd all-time, higher only Gretzky.

I hate this logic.
Ovechkin is 9 goals away. He's either great enough to surpass Jagr today, or he isn't - +/- 9 goals makes no difference.

Because it's history. A rare man creates history.

 

[wetcoast]

Teammates hardware:
Ovi's - zero
Jagr's - zillion

Also Ovechkin was robbed by envy canadians. He should has 3 Ross; 4 Harts. So it's 11.

Look one can have an argument for Ovi but this argument actually doesn't stand up to scrutiny at all and if anything Canadian trophy voters have a pro Ovechkin bias but given your selective bias in this post you can't see what you won't look at?

Top1 PPG:
Ovi 3
Jagr 3

Top1 GPG:
Ovi 8
Jagr 1

Harware:
Ovi 18
Jagr 9

Also why do you downplay the capitals other players so much?

 

[independent observer]

my ranking for greatest ever

1. Gretz
2. Howe
3. Orr/Lemieux
4. Lemieux/Orr
5. Mcdavid
6. Hasek
7. Crosby/Bobby Hull
8. Bobby Hull/Crosby
9. Jagr/OV
10. OV/Jagr

I Have him as either 2nd or 3rd Greatest Euro all time with Hasek being # 1 for me

1) Lemieux (his peak was the highest and he would also dominate today)
2) Gretzky
3) Orr
4) McDavid
5) Jagr
6) Crosby
7) Ovechkin
8) Bossy
9) Hasek
10) Kucherov