kinda like... the avs two years ago—a 1 line team with no depth. Mackinnon was still crushing the playoffs, and the team came an offsides away from advancing to conference finals, not getting swept by a middle seed.
Is it safe to say that Nathan MacKinnon is a better hockey player than Connor McDavid
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kinda like... the avs two years ago—a 1 line team with no depth. Mackinnon was still crushing the playoffs, and the team came an offsides away from advancing to conference finals, not getting swept by a middle seed.
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Let me know when MacK wins a ross. Or a hart. Or a lindsay. Or is 1st AST.
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Glad you specified all round player. I feel that part is true, McDavid has some major warts to his game especially when the puck ain't on his stick. I've seen it happen enough times now where teams can figure out how to stop/ slow him in certain circumstances, Habs seem to have his number and he lacks the physicality to overcome it.
But really, McDavid is the best player in the world. Might not be the most effective, definitely not the best utilized, but nobody is better at hockey than McDavid right now.
There's two centres I'd build a team around before McDavid (Mackinnon and Matthews) but that doesn't make them better than him.
Same rosters as the regular season. Doesn’t change the fact that mackinnon ppg goes up in the playoffs and Mcdavid’s goes down.
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McDavid will have made 100 million after his contract is finished. Afterwards he still has time to take a pay cut and join a contender and win a bunch of cups.
If he does stay a career Oiler, he’ll never come near a Stanley Cup.
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MacKinnon already had 10 playoff points in 7 games in 2014 as an 18-year old though, handedly outscoring all of his older teammates Duchene, O'Reilly & Landeskog. That wasn't a juggernaut team, but he was still money in the playoffs himself.
McDavid played with Draisaitl these playoffs who's an amazing player, but he still managed to be held off the scoresheet in 50% of the games, and then had 3 secondary assists on goals all powered by primary Draisaitl points. The point here isn't that his team lost, because that happens all the time, the point is that he wasn't the best player in that series. All of Scheifele, Draisaitl and Nurse were better than McDavid in that series, and perhaps some other guys too.
Pavel Bure had a 16 game point streak during the 1994 playoffs playing with Greg Adams, and you complain about McDavid having to play with Leon Dreamsaitl? Come on dawg.
I mean, anyone with half, hell, even a quarter brain has known this. McDavid has one talent: Skill. Can he make one, two, MAYBE three plays a game? Sure, but its rare. Otherwise, you hardly notice he's on the ice,
McKinnon on the other hand you notice every time he's on the ice. Even if he doesn't have the puck you notice him. He's an all around player, the type that hits back or defends himself/teammates instead of cowering/throwing completely dirty "hits" like McDavid since that's the only way he'd get an opposing player to move since he's so physically weak. I thought this question, or theory, was settled 2-3 years ago.
McKinnon on the other hand you notice every time he's on the ice. Even if he doesn't have the puck you notice him. He's an all around player, the type that hits back or defends himself/teammates instead of cowering/throwing completely dirty "hits" like McDavid since that's the only way he'd get an opposing player to move since he's so physically weak. I thought this question, or theory, was settled 2-3 years ago.
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There is a quite big difference: by that time Crosby had his Cup and had been to two finals.
The way things are going, it looks like pretty soon people will be able to respond with "Let me know when McDavid wins a Cup or a Smythe".
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Toews was no where close to Crosby offensively as Mac has been to McDavid in the regular season (this very abnormal year being the exception) and was also no where close to Crosby in the playoffs offensively, let alone being on par, let even more alone, significantly outproducing Crosby.
Big difference.
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I have no idea why you came to that conclusion when McDavid just had a season for the ages.
To be fair, this whole narrative in regards to McDavid is completely unfair to him. Sure, he shouldn't be above criticism, and the inane takes from Edmonton make fans of other teams bitter and salty, but his game is noticeably impacted by playoff reffing or lack thereof.
Probably not hard for Mack to at least match McDavid's postseason totals on any team.
Supporting cast as in "the second best player in the league" dubbed by Edmonton fans?
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It's safe to say in the sense that doing so will carry no real consequence, but I don't think it's safe to say in the sense that you may not be wrong.
I know, because I said exactly this earlier this year and there were definitely times since then when I felt like I had missed the mark. Mackinnon know how to win better.... not sure he is a better player (maybe better than anyone in the league). I think they are very, very close.
I know, because I said exactly this earlier this year and there were definitely times since then when I felt like I had missed the mark. Mackinnon know how to win better.... not sure he is a better player (maybe better than anyone in the league). I think they are very, very close.
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This again?
Mackinnon is unreal yes... but mcdavid is better
Mackinnon is unreal yes... but mcdavid is better
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Does anyone track who is the best player in the preseason? We can have a trophy for that, a trophy for the regular season for guys like McDavid and a trophy for the best playoffs performer
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MacKinnon came in 2nd twice for the Hart, including losing to Hall by 70 votes in 2017-18 (McDavid got 270 votes in 5th) and he lost to Drais by 147 in 2019-20 (McDavid got 309 votes in 5th).
McDavid did beat Mac by a whopping 200 votes in 2018-19 when he can in 3rd and Mac in 6th.
But yes, McDavid won a Hart in 2016-17 and will one in 2020-21. It doesn’t change his underwhelming performance when his team was swept in the playoffs. Arguably his historical season (statistically 9th greatest ever or whatever) makes it look even more underwhelming. You would think, win or lose, McDavid would be a lot more dominant but he wasn’t.
I’m assuming he’s going use that personal failure as fuel to drive him to do better but if his super fans are happy with that performance, ok.
I don’t even care that much but the smugness and the need to shield a guy who makes millions, receives endless praise and is already considered an all time great, from any criticism is amazing to me. McDavid is going to hear it until he does more in the playoffs, that’s how sports works. It’s not like he gave a superhuman effort and his team failed him, Draisaitl and Nurse were both better in that series.
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MacKinnon has 0 personal awards and never fully crossed the 100 point mark in 8 years of playing in the NHL. He’s had 2 monster playoff runs in a row but let’s pump the brakes here.
Put McDavid on the Avs and he would take them to even greater heights. McDavid happens to play for one of the worst teams in the NHL if you exclude him and Draisaitl.
Put McDavid on the Avs and he would take them to even greater heights. McDavid happens to play for one of the worst teams in the NHL if you exclude him and Draisaitl.
