Post-Game Talk: Is it a cruel irony that PDO was created by an Oilers fan?

[Tobias Kahun]

Stuart Skinjob might be the most defended .780 goalie ever, besides every other time he has a sub .800.

 

[MessierII]

Wait, so others can make mistakes, but Skinner is perfect and nothing is his fault?

No did I say that? Skinner has mostly been fantastic for like 2 months. Everyone just has October burned into their minds when everyone, including him played like garbage. The stats look bad for him tonight and you would want him to get down quicker but the game winner is an inexcusable play by the D. And it’s just that. The game winner.

 

[alphahelix]

And other teams give up 10 bell chances regularly. It's almost like a goaltender is supposed to stop pucks

Defenders doing shit that doesn’t make any sense creates situations that goalies cannot predict and have a very low chance to save. It’s pretty universal to anybody who stops pucks.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I would certainly hope Pickard could be good against the absolute dregs of the league. And even then he's still lost a couple of gimmes.

Pickard would've won this game. At worst he gets us to OT in this one.

 

[MessierII]

Its not Skiners fault he let the initial shot right through him? How could he not square up better on that one? The shot beat him, hit the post. Skinner was ill prepared for the first shot and was a beached whale on the Dubois empty net. That was about as clownshow as it gets generally, except I realize we've seen far worse bloopers from Skinner.

Somebody should photoshop that winning goal. Skinner has a puck behind him, broken stick in the cage, put a beachball and a jungle gym in there.

You can’t be serious here? You think it’s ok that two D just skated behind the net like the buzzer just went and let Dubois have a free wide open look? Can you imagine if the other team let us do that? There was two guys back that’s a routine clear and it cost them the game.

 

[Missing smitty]

No did I say that? Skinner has mostly been fantastic for like 2 months. Everyone just has October burned into their minds when everyone, including him played like garbage. The stats look bad for him tonight and you would want him to get down quicker but the game winner is an inexcusable play by the D. And it’s just that. The game winner.

His play the whole game was inexcusable. Defensemen grip sticks and try and do too much when their goalie is sieve.

Of all the games to defend the kid, tonight ain't it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Defenders doing shit that doesn’t make any sense creates situations that goalies cannot predict and have a very low chance to save. It’s pretty universal to anybody who stops pucks.

The most unpredictable part of the G/D dynamic is Skinner. For instance 20secs before the winning goal where he handed the Caps the puck on the previous sequence.

If anything this season our D and team defending have been stellar and suppressing shots and HDSC. Skinner is the most unpredictable element night to night, period to period.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Pickard would've won this game. At worst he gets us to OT in this one.

We'll never know because he wasn't even available for the game.

But that doesn't change that Pickard usually starts against the worst teams in the league. There's a reason for that.

 

[Missing smitty]

You can’t be serious here? You think it’s ok that two D just skated behind the net like the buzzer just went and let Dubois have a free wide open look? Can you imagine if the other team let us do that? There was two guys back that’s a routine clear and it cost them the game.

That goal sends them to OT at best if Skinner does his job earlier in the game

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Stuart Skinjob might be the most defended .780 goalie ever, besides every other time he has a sub .800.

Don't worry, TK! Your buddies in Oilers management are on the job!

 

[Drivesaitl]

His play the whole game was inexcusable. Defensemen grip sticks and try and do too much when their goalie is sieve.

Of all the fans to defend the kid, tonight ain't it.

Just watch Ekholm make a heroic save on that potential breakaway. He stripped the puck with desperation like the OIlers live depended on it. Because it did and Skinners in net on a breakaway otherwise. That play alone kind of shows not only how much the D ball out for this club but that they feel they have to.

We'll never know because he wasn't even available for the game.

But that doesn't change that Pickard usually starts against the worst teams in the league. There's a reason for that.

Pickard was on the bench. Stop listening to everything wrong in the broadcast.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Pickard was on the bench. Stop listening to everything wrong in the broadcast.

Lots of chatter for an EBUG in this game. Regardless, Pickard usually gets the starts against the weaker teams. There's no denying that.

 

[Morpheus]

I guess the 20buck Nachos weren't any good either. What kind of asshat throws that on the ice during play? Embarrassing from an Edmonton fan standpoint. You'd expect this kind of thing from somebody thats lived in a dark cave all their life raised by baboons.

Whoever that was hope they were thrown out promptly. Imagine even if a goal or chance got called back on the basis. Still something you should never do.

Sorry bout that. I was banging on the glass and my nachos slipped outta my hand.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Could’ve used McDavid tonight

Could have used Pickard more.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lots of chatter for an EBUG in this game. Regardless, Pickard usually gets the starts against the weaker teams. There's no denying that.

No denying that the worst goalie performance of the season was Skinner against a Columbus team that were among league worst at the time. Skinner gave up 6 in that one as I recall.

Really the top 5 worst goaltending games this season or any season are Skinner. When he's bad its some real shit. Pickard is more consistent.

Even in the last 5 starts Skinner several times has given up 3 or more goals in the first period.

Heres something to consider. Picks has only allowed more than 3 goals twice. Skinner has allowed 4-6GA 7X while backstopping a club that takes few penalties and is probably the best defensive club in the league. Thats some clownshoes stuff.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

We need to start a running thread of games we lost because of goaltending. Feels like it's cost over ten wins already.

It's making me crazy people are comparing Skinner's stats to other goalies. There is maybe 8 other team that suppress scoring chances like the Oilers. We have two replacement level goalies that are being made to look average lol

 

[CanadasTeam99]

We need to start a running thread of games we lost because of goaltending. Feels like it's cost over ten wins already.

It's making me crazy people are comparing Skinner's stats to other goalies. There is maybe 8 other team that suppress scoring chances like the Oilers. We have two replacement level goalies that are being made to look average lol

Exactly.

We still got a long ways to go this season, but it is irritating that we are this close to WPG/WSH and they have insane goaltending. I feel like we could have a few more points just from goaltending.

 

[Missing smitty]

Skinner's career stats are basically the same as Mikko Koskinen's.

For context Mikko Koskinen played behind a much worse defensive team and everyone said he had to go....

 

[foshizzle]

He started the year well. I like the player but he’s been an offensive black hole for awhile now.

Agreed. If he’s had more offence than it would automatically bump Brown and Henrique up as well. Janmark just holds
Onto the puck way to long

 

[foshizzle]

You can’t be serious here? You think it’s ok that two D just skated behind the net like the buzzer just went and let Dubois have a free wide open look? Can you imagine if the other team let us do that? There was two guys back that’s a routine clear and it cost them the game.

Skinner made no attempt at that puck. He looked at and didn’t move. That Thompson save on Nurse than Janmark was the exact same- except Thompson has superior lateral movement. Skinner didn’t freaking move.

Let’s even give that to Skinner. The second goal was weak. The first one- why the F does he always overcommit to one side? He does this all the freaking time. MacKinnon almost scored on him a few games ago just shooting for the opposite side. Marner embarrassed him earlier in the year too. Dubnyk even called him out for that one

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Skinner's career stats are basically the same as Mikko Koskinen's.

For context Mikko Koskinen played behind a much worse defensive team and everyone said he had to go....

If SKinner has a Euro name, he would have had multiple articles with scathing reviews.

He gets dealt with kid gloves here.

 

[foshizzle]

No did I say that? Skinner has mostly been fantastic for like 2 months. Everyone just has October burned into their minds when everyone, including him played like garbage. The stats look bad for him tonight and you would want him to get down quicker but the game winner is an inexcusable play by the D. And it’s just that. The game winner.

Because October is also part of the season, no?

You can like Skinner all you want. You can believe he is a good goalie. Facts and data disagree with you though. His first year has still been his best and he has been declining every year. Ironically that happens with all goalies coached by D Schwartz

If SKinner has a Euro name, he would have had multiple articles with scathing reviews.

He gets dealt with kid gloves here.

You’re 100% right. Add that Skinner is also a local kid. The only way they move on from him is if he has his typical round 1 playoffs and Oilers don’t score at a 50% PP clip and the oilers get trounced

 

[Missing smitty]

If SKinner has a Euro name, he would have had multiple articles with scathing reviews.

He gets dealt with kid gloves here.

I'd like this, but I apparently hurt a Canucks fan's feelings...

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Because October is also part of the season, no?

You can like Skinner all you want. You can believe he is a good goalie. Facts and data disagree with you though. His first year has still been his best and he has been declining every year. Ironically that happens with all goalies coached by D Schwartz


You’re 100% right. Add that Skinner is also a local kid. The only way they move on from him is if he has his typical round 1 playoffs and Oilers don’t score at a 50% PP clip and the oilers get trounced

It's a shi**y thing to say, but I think the only way they try to get a goalie is if Skinner just starts crapping the bed hard the next while. SO bad that they are forced to do it.

1 step back for 2 steps forward. Won't win division, but could get a guy who can play more consistent

OR,,, Just throw Pickard in for the next 4/5 games. See what you have there.

They refuse to try things back there. You should always be trying to tinker in your lineup. Not just "Hope" things improve.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Last 10 games

This is Skinner to a tee

5 of those games (50%) - 4 against Playoff Teams
- 3.66 GAA and 0.845%

The other 5 games - Against 2 playoff teams
- 0.800 GAA (2 SHUTOUTS) and 0.969%

Total
- 2.23 and 0.907%

He is a average back up goalie or plays well. I don't like that come playoff time. Instead of being above average, you have to just "hope" he gets "hot".

Keep asking about Vajmelka. He is around 10th out of 38 in advanced stats. Skinner is anywhere from 27th-35th. Blackwood is 6th and top 5, but we already blew our shot there and didn't care.