Is hockey dying in Quebec ?

[jigglysquishy]

Names ?

I'm not going to doxx guys for your ego.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

I'm not going to doxx guys for your ego.

Normal, you make it up.

It's not credible. Knowing 5 guys who had the level of being pro really puts you in an elite club.

 

[abax44]

- Average salary in France is under 20,000$.

And therefor hockey isnt expensive in Canada?

 

[Bubbles]

Just look at the lack of French Canadian goalies nowadays. The only left is Fleury, with pretty much no one to take his torch. It's like a chicken and egg thing, no francophone idols to look up to, and the kids don't want to play that position. Also, the allaire brothers leaving Quebec totally affected the goaltending talent.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Hockey is a niche sport and very expensive if you want to play at a decent level. Hockey has exploded in popularity here in Vegas but one of the hardest things is getting ice time. It is growing in nontraditional markets. It really is a shame it’s dwindling in a province that has delivered some of the best players to play the game.

This

It's just too expensive.

In the GTA to play AAA it is the cost of a yearly pay at a good job. Around 50,000 - 70,000.

I have a friend who said it costs 10,000 to play A hockey with a kid who's 11 I think. That's the fee, extra tournaments, gas, hotel rooms.

Quebec is weird. I live in Ontario and in my league had a bunch of other teams in Ontario and 1 team from Quebec, because all of the Ontario towns were closer than any of the Quebec towns that had teams.

At some point some governing agency told the great town of Shawville( The Murray brothers are from here) can't play with the teams from Ontario anymore, they have to play against teams in Quebec only.

The closest team in Quebec for them was around an hour away. Meanwhile coming into Ontario they could play most of the league with that travel time. From this, I heard kids stopped playing/parents didn't have the time, or want to... "waste" that time

 

[norrisnick]

Normal, you make it up.

It's not credible. Knowing 5 guys who had the level of being pro really puts you in an elite club.

Topic: Earnings and wages in France

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"That year, the average annual wage amounted to 41,706 euros."

Canada: annual median income | Statista

In 2021, the median total income in Canada increased by 1,020 dollars (+2.51 percent) since 2020.

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"In 2021, the median total income in Canada increased by 1,020 dollars (+2.51 percent) since 2020. With 41,650 dollars, the median total income thereby reached its highest value in the observed period."

$41,650 CD is ~28,000 Euros

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

And therefor hockey isnt expensive in Canada?

I don't know how you manage your money but $5,000 when you make $70,000 isn't much. You have 65,000 left. It takes me 3 years to earn them and I have no money problem. And yet France is an expensive country with high taxes.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Normal, you make it up.

It's not credible. Knowing 5 guys who had the level of being pro really puts you in an elite club.

WHL isn't pro. I went to elementary school with four kids who played at least one WHL game. One of which played a bit in the NHL.

Only one of them stood out from his peers at 11.

The cost of hockey explodes at age 10. Travel multiple weekends a month. Training camps. Expectations of top level equipment. High ice time fees.

Good players just leave. It's not complicated.

 

[abax44]

2015 article talking about cost:

Selling the dream: Raising the next great hockey star comes with a heavy price tag​

Selling the dream: Raising the next great hockey star comes with a heavy price tag

Raising the next great hockey star comes with a heavy price tag, as the average hockey parent spent nearly $10-15,000 if their child was on a AAA team

nationalpost.com

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Topic: Earnings and wages in France

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"That year, the average annual wage amounted to 41,706 euros."

The data is wrong. I earn 22,900 euros/year and I am quite clearly above the average and the median

 

[jigglysquishy]

Topic: Earnings and wages in France

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"That year, the average annual wage amounted to 41,706 euros."

Which is over 60,000 Canadian.


You could make $5000 work if your only cost was hockey. But we have some of the highest housing costs in the world. Expensive childcare. High taxes. Expensive university.

If you have two kids, $10,000 a year on hockey might as well be a million dollars. Most parents will prioritize RESPs instead.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

WHL isn't pro. I went to elementary school with four kids who played at least one WHL game. One of which played a bit in the NHL.

Only one of them stood out from his peers at 11.

The cost of hockey explodes at age 10. Travel multiple weekends a month. Training camps. Expectations of top level equipment. High ice time fees.

Good players just leave. It's not complicated.

I watch the atom, pee-ween and bantam canadian selections every year. Never seen a talented player quit in midget.

I think you are confusing good local player and elite player. You know very quickly if you have a chance of being a pro in hockey.

In a province like Saskatchewan, if you're not in the selections at that age, you have no chance of being a pro.

 

[Xirik]

You'd think Hockey Canada would be putting money into roller hockey.

 

[norrisnick]

The data is wrong. I earn 22,900 euros/year and I am quite clearly above the average and the median

Very little about you appears to be clearly above average.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Very little about you appears to be clearly above average.

If you knew France, you would know that this is absurd. 40,000 euros/month is the income of a guy in the top 1% of the country.

 

[abax44]

You'd think Hockey Canada would be putting money into roller hockey.

It's all earmarked for scandals and lawyers.

 

[jigglysquishy]

The data is wrong. I earn 22,900 euros/year and I am quite clearly above the average and the median

Minimum wage in France is 21,000 euro/ year.

 

[MXD]

If you knew France, you would know that this is absurd. 40,000 euros/month is the income of a guy in the top 1% of the country.

Of f***ing course, that amounts to 480 000 euros a year, which would be Top 0.1% of pretty much every country except Monaco or something.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Minimum wage in France is 21,000 euro/ year.

No and by far.

 

[abax44]

No and by far.

On January 1, 2024, the minimum wage (SMIC) has been revalued by 1.13%.

The gross hourly minimum wage is now €11.65 or €1,766.92 gross per month, based on a legal working week of 35 hours.

Increase of the minimum wage (SMIC) on January 1, 2024 - Welcome to France

Revalued by 1.13%, the revaluation of the SMIC raises the minimum remuneration for the "talent passport" status for certain employees.

www.welcometofrance.com

 

[BraveCanadian]

I don’t understand why this isn’t being brought up more often. Quebec no longer produces hockey talent.

The current best francophone player is Jonathan Marchessault who’s is a good player but he’s not a superstar by any means.

The second best French Canadian player these days is Kris Letang who is about to retire soon.

This is absolutely ridiculous, the drop in talent is worse than in Czechia and Slovakia.

What’s the reason behind this ? The sport popularity is dropping in Quebec? Is it the lack of success by the Canadiens ?

Are there any upcoming québécois young stars?

It isn't only Quebec.

Accessibility to hockey is dying all over due to cost and factors like demographic changes that have more kids playing cheaper, safer, and more popular sports like basketball and soccer.

 

[norrisnick]

If you knew France, you would know that this is absurd. 40,000 euros/month is the income of a guy in the top 1% of the country.

Annual. Annuel if that helps...

 

[BraveCanadian]

This argument makes me laugh. Canada is a rich country. Average families have houses, cars, computers, game consoles, phones, app subscriptions but no money for a boy to play hockey.

People need a place to live and a way to get to work.. they don't need to put their kids in hockey when there are much cheaper, more accessible AND more popular alternatives.

Not sure why you think this is a strange argument.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

On January 1, 2024, the minimum wage (SMIC) has been revalued by 1.13%.

The gross hourly minimum wage is now €11.65 or €1,766.92 gross per month, based on a legal working week of 35 hours.

Increase of the minimum wage (SMIC) on January 1, 2024 - Welcome to France

Revalued by 1.13%, the revaluation of the SMIC raises the minimum remuneration for the "talent passport" status for certain employees.

www.welcometofrance.com

Problem of guys who repeat what is written on the internet and don't know the country.

1700 euros is the median salary in France.

Salaries are low in France and are not taking off.

Teacher with 8 years of full-time experience, I earn 1900 euros.

You have to take the gross but in France workers are taxed to support the non-active who are more and more numerous.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

People need a place to live and a way to get to work.. they don't need to put their kids in hockey when there are much cheaper, more accessible AND more popular alternatives.

Not sure why you think this is a strange argument.

In France, it is the opposite. We pay for our children to go to well-attended schools and play sports. I would never put my children in the Soccer club.