The problem with this is there's only so much a coach can do.
Is Deboer an underrated coach?
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Well you either believe coaching is the main reason teams win or you don’t. Is Dallas always beating the Avs in the playoffs mainly DeBoer out coaching Bednar, or is there other reasons? Seems like most people believe it’s coaching. If that’s the case, how come DeBoer couldn’t get through Knoblauch and the Oilers last year? Does that mean Knoblauch is a better coach than DeBoer?
I think what defines a coach is their ability to find success in any situation, which Deboer has. I also think a coach's job is to maximize a team's effort in pivotal moments, like game 7s. In terms of winning a cup, it's the old adage you can lead a horse to water. A coach is tasked to get the team as properly prepared as they can, but sometimes better teams are better teams.
Frankly, on paper there's no reason this shouldn't have been a 5 game series for Colorado. Dallas could have very easily packed it in when Miro went down and then when Robo went down in the last game of the regular season, which was also game 7 of an 8 game losing streak. Hell, they could have packed it in after getting hammered in game 1 in Dallas. Is it all coaching? No, but Deb's teams have a knack of overcoming a lot of adversity.
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I personally believe it’s the matter of which team wants it more. To me it looks like the Avs (players) are satisfied with their cup win in 2022, and are not very motivated to win it again, where Dallas hasn’t won the cup since 1999, and they want it more but they just don’t have enough to go all the way. Coaching helps, but in the end it’s the players that play the game.
That’s a weird thing to say considering most of the Avs team isn’t what it was then and the most productive player is Mackinnon.
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The team as a whole just simply doesn’t have the same determination to win since the 2022. If they were really focused and motivated similar to 2022, they should be up in this series vs Dallas instead of being down. Losing 2 games in OT the way they did, Stars just simply wanted it more.
For example, the game last night. They come out and not ready to play and allow a goal 9 seconds in and that pretty dictated how the game was gonna go. A team that’s truly motivated to go deep, shouldn’t start a playoff game that way. I’m not saying Avs aren’t even trying, because they are, but they’re just not focused and determined enough to win the series
There were many many moments Colorado looked off in that run and I’m not even sure they get by St Louis if Binnington isn’t knocked out for series .
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I don’t remember a time in 2022 run where Avs started a game not ready to play and allowed a goal 9 seconds in. I just remember them being a dominant and determined team from start to finish. Only lost 4 games the entire playoffs. They have 3 losses already in this playoffs
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hangman005
I miss Logan Thompson even more
Look as a Vegas Fan the absolute greatest thing, is to be able hate him again.
Ok TBF I never bought into Deboer winning us a cup. I would have fired him a season earlier than we did... although it worked out in the end.
Ok TBF I never bought into Deboer winning us a cup. I would have fired him a season earlier than we did... although it worked out in the end.
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SharksCyclops
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Heaven forbid a fanbase appreciate a head coach who spent his time actually doing well during his tenure. I'm for sure singing his praises while you cringe at people for being pleased...cool brah.
SharksCyclops
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The logic in this thread
Dan Bylsma > Pete DeBoer
Don't try to do a bunch of mental gymnastics and attempt to articulate your argument as if it's poignant because a good head coach must win a cup and in Bylsma's case he was gifted a cup winning team so he isn't the strongest argument for your case. Your argument is a good head coach must have a cup...and DeBoer doesn't, so he sucks compared to Bylsma.
Dan Bylsma > Pete DeBoer
Don't try to do a bunch of mental gymnastics and attempt to articulate your argument as if it's poignant because a good head coach must win a cup and in Bylsma's case he was gifted a cup winning team so he isn't the strongest argument for your case. Your argument is a good head coach must have a cup...and DeBoer doesn't, so he sucks compared to Bylsma.
SeanMoneyHands
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He's not underated, people know that he's a top 5 coach in the NHL. He's in the same tier of coaches as Laviolette, Tortorella.
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My post was sarcastic.
Unless there's been a sea change in sentiment during the past few years, DeBoer was widely reviled on HF Sharks.
I think he's a fine coach. His Game 7 record alone confirms that.
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He's pretty f***ing good imo, just doesn't have the Cup yet. FWIW too he's seen some of the craziest shit in this league, 2012 run with Devils and 2 series OT winners by Adam Henrique, the SJ comeback v Vegas in game 7, tonight.
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Put him against Jared Bednar or in a game 7 and the man turns into a genius. Guaranteed success.
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The biggest (tangible) impact a coach has is dressing the best roster with the player assets he has available to them, along with distributing the minutes properly to ensure you have the most favorable matchups possible in a given situation. Coaches don't play the games, but decide "who does".
Everything else is just announcer BS as to what qualities a coach has. If they are dressing some "has been" vet who loses the 5v5 goal differential while young talent with superior analytics sits in the press box, then they probably aren't a good coach.
Everything else is just announcer BS as to what qualities a coach has. If they are dressing some "has been" vet who loses the 5v5 goal differential while young talent with superior analytics sits in the press box, then they probably aren't a good coach.
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his roster is stacked, the stars have 7 guys who had or were on pace for at least 70 points. The only thing you could really give him credit for is the defense being able to hold it together. I swear Rod Brind’amour never gets praise when he has no players with 80 points meanwhile the coaches with a plethora of skilled players are always praised. Guys like Cassidy and Maurice are good examples outside of Brind’amour. Sure they have good players but they don’t have 8 guys with 70 points lighting it up every night. What I’m trying to say is I don’t get why coaches with stacked rosters always get praise. It’s kinda like an expectation that this guy should atleast make the WCF at the very least. Another good coach is Berube, look at what he did with St. Louis a couple years back.
